Three States had pro choice ballot initiatives that passed. Two states had anti abortion measures that failed. This CNN link is not up to date at this time, but the Montana one failed… Abortion rights were on the ballot in these states. Here's what voters decided | CNN Politics Seems more of this is needed, so this lying ass Supreme Court won’t matter.
The Montana law, BTW, was for criminal charges for healthcare workers who don’t attempt to “save” a fetus during an abortion.
That's certainly what we heard. The people who made abortion the most important issue of the last 50 years were trying to claim that it suddenly wasn't an important issue.
The abortion issue has shown what religious fanatics can do to a country. Whatever their religion, they have caused more death* and destruction over the last 2,000 years than any other group or cause. * "death" meaning of those outside the womb.
Regardless of the outcomes, this appears to be working as intended by returning power to the states. Hopefully, it can serve as a case study for more such federal divestitures.
The proposed measure defines a "born-alive" infant as one who has been removed from a womb via abortion, natural or induced labor, or C-section and "breathes, has a beating heart, or has definite movement of voluntary muscles" at any stage of development There is what the measure defined as born alive. I’m assuming this would only come up in third trimester since to abort a baby in the second requires ripping the body apart first. So I’m curious to why people would be against this measure. Not trying to be snarky or attack anyone. Just looking for opinions and discussion.
For me it’s because it’s none of my business. We all no about unintended consequences of laws. These decisions are best made by the woman and her health care providers.
I see your point and generally agree most health decisions stay between an individual and their doctor. At some point, the baby itself needs to be considered though no? If a baby is out of the womb and alive, is that not an actual person with rights?
I suspect it would mean spending tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars to prolong a forgone conclusion. I think the person able to make this decision best is the doctor on hand not an idiot state legislature. Additionally dozens of abortions are performed in the third trimester annually for birth control purposes.
Just wanted to say I got the like while I was editing by post. Whoever liked it may not have liked it with my changes.
The doctors themselves are against this law, due to potential legal liability. Again, you basically have the state forcing something the mother and doctor may not want to happen or that may not be practical to try and “resuscitate” the infant. Obviously this is aimed at the abortion issue, basically a red meat issue for the fundamentalists imagining all these cases where a fully formed baby is “born alive” and then murdered by the evil satanic abortionist, but there are cases of miscarriage or severe deformity where the child might not be viable and the parents prefer to let nature take it’s course. An all encompassing law like this could put doctors in jail for failing to “resuscitate” even in those instances where the child has some initial movement but is not actually viable, such as cases of Anencephaly where the child is born without a skull or parts of their brain. Laws like this don’t take real life into account, and could actually lead to inhumane results while not actually “saving” 1 single baby.
What is untrue about it. I changed a word choice to conclusion. I also called state legislators idiots that is an opinion. I then added the second paragraph claiming that third trimester abortions are rare and usually for medical reasons. The dozens may have been hyperbolic. I can defend it by saying a hundred or a thousand dozen is still dozens.
Due to the rights concern on the topic, this issue was a wash nationally though... From the same article: About 27% of voters cited abortion as the issue most important to them, according to the preliminary results of the national and state exit polls conducted for CNN and other news networks by Edison Research. The results also showed that when it comes to the issue, roughly half of voters said they trusted Democratic candidates, compared with more than 4 in 10 voters who say that trusted republicans...
I said it wasnt the main issue that democrats clam. It wasnt. Exit polling shows that only about 14% of dems saw it as the main issue. Almost identical to the number of pubs. In many cases, it was a wash.
