Election denial is the core of the R strategy in Arizona. To say otherwise, or that election denialism is in the past is false. Every R candidate running for top office in Arizona, and many other R candidates across the nation is using the 2020 was stolen as a central theme. There are some Rs willing to call election denialism what it is, "pure horsesh1t," which is what current Arizona AG Mark Brnovich called it. And what happened to Brnovich? He ran for Senate, and lost in the primary to an election denier, in Blake Masters. Don't tell me election denial is in the past. I see the opposite every time I turn on the TV and see an ad from any R candidate in my home state.
You're going to have to prove that one. When did Trump publicly concede that he lost and Biden won the 2020 election?
Perhaps you’re right. Maybe I’ll never give a dem president an objective ear. I do understand cognitive bias works. Let’s have a beer sometime, I’ll surprise. I’m pretty open and understand human behavior on occasion. The real problem is politicians rarely act with any real autonomy. Biden especially has no chance of reading off script. And when he does it’s terrible. His speech writers are likely the real target of my rant.
But to add on…don’t you wish Biden would read a speech that even generally showed a modicum of an attempt at reaching across the aisle?
Here's what you said in your OP where you were calling for unity. It speaks for itself. You are a massive hypocrite. "Looks like a few of our resident TH libbies are the writers of Biden’s speeches. Lol. I mean you guys are eating this tripe up and repeating it on the board. Biden and his minions are doing their very best to divide and anger Americans. What a waste of another leader elected. If you can’t attempt to lead and unite, you may as well stay in the basement."
LOL @ you moving the goalposts. You said “Trump conceded!!!” Did he just think it in his head? Similar to declassifying top secrets documents? Good lord dude. This thread is a mess.
Words are worthless without deeds. I think he's cocked up plenty as President, but he has made attempts with legislative policy to get conservatives on board where he could, IMO. I think the current political climate severely limits that possibility with so many Republican legislators too worried about getting primary'd by a more crazy member of their party to ever vote for legislation tied to a Democrat president's agenda. But he's adjusted and made concessions on the details of his big agenda items where a bipartisan committee made recommendations.
Then how are you defining "conceded?" That he left the White House before being forcibly removed? That is an incredibly low bar for one party leader while you seem to expect the other to be a modern Gandhi.
It's more than half the country after these past 2 brutal years. Typically leaders make a pitch for votes in a speech a week out from elections and shares the success of the last 2 years. When you have had no success, you attack the opponent. He inspires no confidence.
I know what I wrote. I typed it up. It’s right there in plain English. What a waste of another leader. And then I go on in the next couple posts to elucidate on that point. You are massively butthirt because it seems you are exactly who I’m highlighting in the OP. You’re a libbie talking point machine who could have written Biden’s divisive speech. Ouch.
Yes, that’s what it is. It’s a low bar. But I digress…we’re all hyped up because of Obama and Trump and now Biden’s inflammatory language. I’m rooting genuinely for a better leader.
I know that there are some mighty cocky people around here talking about how Dems are going to be taught a lesson next week who seem to think that this will be the last election. I mean there may be a red wave but all that means is there will be a blue one soon after. ALWAYS switches hands every couple of years. Enjoy for the time you have. Pass laws that the majority are against and try to dismantle SS & Medicaid and see what happens. LOL at anyone thinking their party has really won anything, they are both corporately owned anyways.
We all are. Both sides of the aisle deserve better than what we have, and have had. Time for new blood and finding compromised, imperfect solutions to very difficult problems that are faced on both sides - based in truth. We have to start with truth. Also, joking about things like the attack on Paul Pelosi are just flat out wrong and should be condemned by everyone - and not be the butt of politician jokes. Mostly, that was the case... but there are some really freaking disgusting people using that for political gain. It's abhorrent. On the topic of unity, the problem is, it's bad for business. Unity won't line politicians pocketbooks and won't boost TV ratings. I wish we had unity, I just don't see it happening anytime soon, sadly.
What's really just sad is the fact that the former president has refused to accept his defeat graciously and with the dignity of Jimmy Carter in 1980 and George H.W. Bush in 1992 and that he has amplified his denial of reality into a so far failed movement to undermine the nature of the US as a Constitutional Republic, first through a series of frivolous and futile lawsuits, followed a fortunately failed coup d'état on January 6, 2021 and now by supporting a slate of election deniers several of whom would destroy a free and fair electoral system at the state level if they are elected. Some commentators who the phrase "one man, one vote, one time" when they are referring to the fragility of emerging democracies. If Trump and his supporters have their way we could end up with "one person, one vote, one last time". As long as he is actively involved in politics and is trying to subvert the American form of government Trump remains relevant. As I said in a previous post what's really irrelevant is the tendency to bring up Hunter Biden, an individual who has never been relevant in the first place yet he will almost certainly be the subject of one or more Congressional hearings and investigations after the Republicans regain leadership of the House. In fact, it wouldn't surprise me if they start holding hearings on Hillary Clinton's email server.
I’m in the same voting block as you, having voted for Biden as my first Democrat candidate ever. Has he been successful? I’d agree with you and say no. However, I didn’t have high hopes for him, more just keeping the other guy out of office. That being said, I disagree with the “divide and conquer” assertion you make. 60% of the Republican Party still believes Democrats stole the election and are actively campaigning on that in multiple areas. You think he should just be silent on a current election issue? That makes no sense to me.
Since I've evidently got Gandhi on the brain today, all I can say is, "Be the change you wish to see in the world." Vote for the more moderate Republicans wherever you can in primaries, and (don't faint on me, here) vote for any moderate Democrat running against a Republican extremist, accepting that you may not agree with their policies but that they are a better leader. Encourage those who respect you to do the same. I've been trying to do exactly that (still a registered Republican despite how unrecognizable the party is from when I registered in 2004). Unless voters on both parties repudiate the bad options they throw at us, we'll never have better ones.
My last post in this thread. That bold part is exactly what Biden represented. He was the most moderate Democrat with any hopes of winning the nomination, running against an atrocity on the Republican ticket. I don't like everything Biden's done. I think the COVID stimulus at the beginning of his term should have been a third that size. I think he should have put what pressure he could on Powell to start raising rates by spring of 2021. The blanket student loan forgiveness was completely asinine. But I'll take what I consider to be small L's on those actions over the huge W that a man that holds himself above the country is no longer the president.
The topic is Biden dividing again. Start a Trump not conceding thread if you want. Also, you seem to be avoiding discussing our bet. You aren't trying to back out are you?
