Ocoee Election Massacre

Admittedly I was unaware. Good op thx.

 

This is supposed to be included in the new history standards but ...

 

I didn’t learn about this in school. I learned about it later in life. I would be very surprised if it was permitted to be taught now. If I was a teacher and it was in the materials I would just read the materials Word for Word and refuse to answer questions, referring them to the materials.

 

Nothing wrong with learning from our mistakes. How much of our ugly past should be shared with emotional, many times immature teenagers? It’s not that schools aren’t teaching children about the past. Why you think we should pile it on is strange and maybe excessive for me. The high school I attended had race tension and times where white students were told by faculty to stay home for the day. This is sensitive material that might be better discussed in post secondary.

 

102 years ago seems pretty recent. Thank God our world has changed.

Thanks for sharing Phil.

 

Oh look the person that proudly claims he discriminates against others based on their race doesn’t want our kids to learn about examples in history of people attacking others based on race. Color me shocked...

 

The Jim Crow era was a violent one for individuals and sometimes for whole communities in FL and the south. Racial relations are better today despite occasional and maybe increasing acts of violence. How did we improve from that to where we are today? What were the factors involved? An incomplete list I thought of:

• Civil rights act/other laws
• Federal enforcement
• Community opinion leaders
• Community spiritual leaders
• Country’s moral revulsion to publicity of racially focused violence
• White community realizing racial violence was bad for business

 

If you know about it you should for sure teach it during Civil Rights/end of Jim Crow. I had no idea otherwise I would have.

 

We’ve obviously gotten to a place where such activity is not acceptable in our society, so I am not sure why we need CRT to remind us about this in 2022? If we were able to get to this place without CRT, why do we need CRT now? Honest question. I’m open-minded on this topic.

 

I wonder how influential sports was in promoting racial togetherness. Blacks and whites working together on and off the field and seen by many in big cities.

 

Yes, sports are at once unifying and divisive (tribal) but I think they were a factor in improvement of racial relations.

 

Those who do not learn from the past are doomed to repeat it. There is nothing wrong with teaching a lesson that we made mistakes years ago, have learned and grown from them, and are still learning and growing. If you whitewash the mistakes that have been made, you stunt the growth that comes afterwards.

 

So we should just ignore it? Good grief.

BTW, do you even know what CRT is? Hint, it's not honest history.

 

I don’t think CRT is being taught in public schools. What some state legislatures have done is to prevent any curriculum that may teach or discuss, that the U.S. is/ was inherently racist as or any discussions about conscious and unconscious bias, privilege, or discrimination. The proponents of teaching this white-washed version of history just call it CRT to rile the masses.

 

You do have to have lines somewhere. Not sure where and this certainly seems historical enough to be taught.

I do feel at some point we have to turn the corner. Its akin to reminding your 50 year old kid what they did when they were 6. Except this amounts to it not even being your kid that did it.

Not sure where the line is or when you stop/proceed, but it is a worthy discussion.

I mean will we still talk about columbine 100 years from now if school shootings are no longer a thing then?

i dont know the answer.

The size and scope of this however seems relevant and historical enough to at least be in the debate as worthy.

 

CRT, properly understood, does not purport to be history. It’s a hermeneutic, a method of analysis, really for graduate level. It’s a valid method, among many.

Opponents rely on the fact that people are too uninformed to understand “critical” in that context. The more honest opponents don’t suggest it is being taught to students but that teachers encounter it in training and it influences their presentation. There is some limited truth to this, and that’s a good thing, IMO. But we as a society just don’t want to face the issues. We prefer narrative falsehood

 

So we don’t teach teenagers history or talk about in civics - the holocaust, Hiroshima, Jamestown, trail of tears, D day, slave trade starting in Africa and our history with slavery, our civil war with 600k+ deaths, the Cold War with global fear of nuclear Armageddon, JFK assassination, etc, etc.

And even though teenagers will hear about this, see movies, etc. the actual history shouldn’t be taught because it might upset them?

 

Why are you even bringing up CRT? This has nothing to do with CRT

 

It's not CRT, it's Florida history.

I didn't know about this.