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Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by OklahomaGator, Oct 31, 2022.

  1. OklahomaGator

    OklahomaGator Jedi Administrator Moderator VIP Member

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    Could the UAA pull press credentials from a reporter? It seems a reporter made some not so favorable “hot mic” comments. The discussion is in the Den but it turned into a first amendment debate.
     
  2. GatorFanCF

    GatorFanCF Premium Member

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    If UAA is a private organization they have no obligation to give “any” reporter credentials- outside of legally protected classes.
     
  3. ncargat1

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    UF would be better served allowing him in and basically ignoring him completely while sitting there wasting his time.
     
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  4. gator_lawyer

    gator_lawyer VIP Member

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    You essentially have two questions:
    1. Is there state action?
    2. If yes, does pulling his press credentials violate his rights?

    Without researching, I think the correct answer is there's no state action. It's not quite as simple as the UAA is a private entity. If the UAA was exercising powers on UF's behalf that are traditionally and exclusively reserved to the government, it would qualify as state action. But courts almost never conclude that a private party is exercising those sorts of powers. And I think it's clear here that they aren't.

    But if a court did conclude there is state action, the second question would be maybe. The reporter could raise a due process claim like Jim Acosta did.
    Court: White House Violated First Amendment In Yanking CNN Press Pass
     
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  5. QGator2414

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    Steve Spurrier has already provided the textbook on how to handle this situation…

     
  6. gatorpa

    gatorpa GC Hall of Fame

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    Just curious doesn’t some of the HBC salary come form the university?
    If not why are FB coaches always billed as the highest paid state employees?
     
  7. gator_lawyer

    gator_lawyer VIP Member

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    No idea.
     
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  8. duchen

    duchen VIP Member

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    UAA may pull press credentials. It is a private organization that partly funds athletics. However, reporters are not covering UAA when they cover games. UF is a public university and plays in a publicly owned stadium. Remember in 1984, the records produced in the NCAA investigation were treated as public records under the Sunshine Law. Doubtful that a reporters press credentials could be pulled for speech. At least not under current precedent. Precedent doesn’t mean much to this Supreme Court
     
  9. tilly

    tilly Superhero Mod. Fast witted. Bulletproof posts. Moderator VIP Member

    If I were Billy, I would walk into every presser and say. "Oh look. We are both still here." And then not speak to him again until saying the same at the next presser.

    (For those unaware, look up what was said)
     
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  10. G8R92

    G8R92 GC Hall of Fame

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    I saw the hot mic quote, but don't have complete context. Is it known what was said to the reporter and by whom that evoked that response?
     
  11. swampbabe

    swampbabe GC Hall of Fame

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    Here is a list of the highest paid employees in the state of Florida.

    The highest paid employees in Florida state universities
     
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  12. VAg8r1

    VAg8r1 GC Hall of Fame

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    I assume that list is based solely on the value of compensation from the state. It obviously doesn't include coaches who receive compensation from both the state and one or more private organizations, Billy Napier and Todd Golden coming immediately to mind as well as Mike Norvell.
     
  13. swampbabe

    swampbabe GC Hall of Fame

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    That's the point. UAA pays our coaches, not the university. I'm curious if anyone has a link to what the university pays (if anything) towards salary versus the UAA.

    BTW, at one time Bobby Bowden was the highest paid employee of the state.
     
  14. OklahomaGator

    OklahomaGator Jedi Administrator Moderator VIP Member

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    My recollection is that Florida's coaches are all paid by the UAA and receive no state dollars.
     
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  15. GatorNorth

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    The White House pulled press credentials under Trump-why couldn’t UF or the UAA do the same?

    Freedom of speech doesn’t guarantee from free consequences.
     
  16. G8R92

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    CNN filed a lawsuit and won on 1st Amendment Violation.
     
  17. archigator_96

    archigator_96 GC Hall of Fame

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    At one time, all football coaches were paid by the state including assistants. That was before the coaching arms race that started in the late 80's early 90's.
    It was my understanding that at that time the state told the schools that if they wanted to pay coaches outrageous salaries, the athletic departments / boosters would have to come up with it since it was a bad look to pay a football coach more than the director of a medical school etc.

    And @swampbabe is absolutely correct about Saint Boobah. The reason he was the highest paid state employee was he was hired before the state changed the rules and his contract was grandfathered (no pun intended) in. The second his lifetime contract expired or he quit / got fired, FSU had to play by the same rules as everyone else and pay for their own coaches. At that time, it was a good reason to keep him as long as possible.
     
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