Employers in NYC and California will soon have to post salary ranges on job postings

It’s all political for some now.

 

And sometimes it’s a function or those who can do. Or those do because it’s the right thing to do even when nobody is watching.

 

So a law that has an intention is just essentially worthless when some unsure pay range is posted.

Boy that solves the problem of all the time the prospective employees might waste you were speaking of.

 

The applicants will get to decide if they want to go with job interviews from companies offering more definite salaries or companies offering vague pay raises.

 

Unintended consequences are always hard to anticipate, so I think finding a policy without obvious use is a good argument against it.

But here’s one possibility of a downside: knowing all those numbers are out there in the same currency could make that metric even more important than it already is. Future employers might intentionally sacrifice other more holistic and healthy forms of compensation to look better on this one very visible metric. It’s almost like Goodhart’s law: once a measure becomes a target, it ceases to be a good measure.

 

No one is advocating withholding requested info. Just let companies market as they wish.

This is akin to making Buffalo Wild Wings post their prices in a commercial rather than just letting them wet your appetite with a well done ad showing dripping wings and cold beer.

They still have to tell you the price when you ask.

Stay out of marketing. That isnt the governments place.

 

I don’t think it’s “worthless” at all, but from what I can tell both states only require a “good faith” range, not a specific number. So there is still plenty of wiggle room to negotiate or base the pay on the (anticipated) quality of the job candidate.

That’s what makes it somewhat baffling anyone would be opposed, even one if the posters falling on the negative side said the law “does nothing”. Ok maybe so, then so what? Seems like it’s just opposing it to be contrarian. The only situation I can fathom at all is if some employer was thinking they could lowball somebody or hire someone completely clueless about the going market range for their skills. Otherwise posting a range should change… absolutely nothing, except increase transparency and market efficiencies ever so slightly (more info tends to do that).

 

Of course they can just ask up front before the interview. And save all that precious time.

 

This isn’t “marketing”, it’s a job posting presumably for a specific job.

If a company is doing an ad it can do that without making a specific offer, but if it does then it cannot be fraudulent. Think of car dealers who post prices in an ad, then you show up and it was only one vehicle on the lot at the advertised price, but they can offer this “similar” model at $5000 more! That is called a bait and switch. This is also a type of fraud in advertising. You may wonder “what does this have to do with anything”, I’m simply providing a parallel where I’d say “the government” has a vested interest in marketing and can attempt to regulate it in the interests of consumers .

 

The opposition comes from what we all know happens when you give bureaucrats an inch. The government should stay out of marketing short of overt harmful practices or lying.

 

[Of course it's marketing.

And i thought this required a pay rate be included. Are you saying an ad does not have to have such info in NY and Cali?

No one is suggesting it's ok to lie in the ad. We are saying that the company should chose what honest info goes in the ad.

 

Why do you want the government to grow again? This is a superfluous overreach helping no one.
Every interview I’ve ever done, either salary is posted or I ask up front. Employers typically ask what you’re salary and total compensation expectations are prior to moving forward….because nobody in the private sector is looking to waste time!
A foreign thought for the govt loving libbie crowd to be certain.

 

That’s just it if employers post some random range it does nothing to increase market transparency.

It’s a stupid law. Do we need more stupid laws on the books?

 

It has been close to 35 years since I applied to a job and did a resume. One thing that frustrated me at the time was you would apply at a position that sounded interesting. Go through 3 sets of interviews be told you are exactly what they are looking for and then be offered an insulting wage. Then when you asked about raises or commission be told that that stuff was confidential. I would then apologize for wasting their time and wait for them to apologize to me for wasting mine. It never happened.

 

Hmmm .... another step toward state mandated and regulated wage rates in NY and California.

 

If that's the case, I dont see why this is necessarily a bad thing for employers either, standardizing a labor cost. Its probably more than they would pay in an environment where no worker had information and was negotiating blind (which is why they oppose this), but it sets a standard cost range across the field, so it reduces the likelihood that they would overpay for non "allstar" employees.

 

Sorry I wasn’t clear as I was being rushed for a minute, advertising generally can be done without specific offers, such as advertising a “hiring fair” for multiple positions, as big companies sometimes do if they are opening a new facility in an area. But a “job listing” is more than just that if it’s listing a specific job title. It’s more akin to a real estate listing or the car adverts that are more specific and are effectively “offering” something, generally those list price and there is some applicable law/regulation around that.

Basically if a hospital is saying “we are hiring” RN’s, I see no harm in requiring the salary range to be posted up front just as other areas of commerce are required to be transparent. It saves everyone from wasting their time if it turns out the range isn’t in the negotiating window (and of course some people don’t much like negotiating at all, they want to cut through the bs, a posted range does nothing but inform them if it’s going to be worth their time to even interview).

In either case, I view stuff like this as such low level and common sense regulation to the point it’s almost nonsensical to be against it. There will be no “bureaucratic nightmare”, if anything the laws will probably be so vague as to be mostly useless, although as I said posting a range is at least some information which is at least incrementally more market efficient than no information.

 

Its amazing how much stuff people take for granted here as "normal" business practice is just outright fraud, bait and switch, lying, gouging, graft, etc. Most other countries don't live like this, but we love our grifter economy, dont we folks? I dont think its any coincidence that the biggest right-wing donors are all Amway types. If we banned multilevel marketing schemes and middlemen car dealership owner types, it would destroy the Republican donor class. So much of right-wing politics is protecting the worst kind of businesses.

 

Not for you. I imagine you are a good employer. I will send you my resume next time I am looking(don’t wait on it). But others are unscrupulous.

 

I'm going to blow your mind here, but there are already state mandated wage rates in all 50 states! Its called the minimum wage.