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War in Ukraine

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by PITBOSS, Jan 21, 2022.

  1. duggers_dad

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    We can’t just sit idly by and watch authoritarian regimes have their way. Oh wait, maybe we should chill. Didn’t Biden say he had F-15’s ?
     
  2. chemgator

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    Ahh, good propaganda, comrade. Use (false) semantics to make pointless point. I will recommend to the commissar to give you extra borscht and bottle of lighter-fluid grade vodka.
     
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  3. carpeveritas

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    So now it is long term interests. As far as trading freely with almost any country in the world that is quickly coming to end.

    We didn't take it upon ourselves to be the world's policemen our government did that. Being the world's policemen has always been in contention since the wall came down. What to do with those troops? I know send them to Kosovo and any other hot spot we can find.

    You also get back to my point if it is the natural resources that we need to keep our own forces fed and armed them take Ukraine and make it a US territory. You keep it out of the hands of Russia and be done with it.

    As far as this being the most affordable option. We are soon to find out how affordable it is. I cannot be any clearer on that point as we watch all of Europe go down in flames. Those allies that you hoped to save and depended on will not be able to help. The help they are offering now is minimal at best. It's time to rebuild and reassess.
     
  4. duggers_dad

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    What’s false about the two major points in my thesis, wrangler ?

    And Russian vodka is the only vodka I drink.
     
  5. Sohogator

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    More ridiculous hyperbole. GDP is up 2.6% this quarter. Europe is certainly in recession and we are headed for it but so what? We have not had one other than the pandemic flash recession in 14 years. We are way overdue. We’ll be fine and I’m already making investment decisions anticipating a recovery.
     
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  6. duggers_dad

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    “What’s a recovery ?” — the Great Unwashed —
     
  7. Sohogator

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    Which part of Europe is on fire? I must have missed it.
     
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  8. carpeveritas

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    That's not going to happen. To be clear there no such treaty or agreement with Ukraine.

    Mutual Defense Treaty Between the United States and the Republic of Korea; October 1, 1953
    ARTICLE II
    The Parties will consult together whenever, in the opinion of either of them, the political independence or
    security of either of the Parties is threatened by external armed attack. Separately and jointly, by self help and
    mutual aid, the Parties will maintain and develop appropriate means to deter armed attack and will take suitable
    measures in consultation and agreement to implement this Treaty and to further its purposes.

    ARTICLE III
    Each Party recognizes that an armed attack in the Pacific area on either of the Parties in territories now under
    their respective administrative control, or hereafter recognized by one of the Parties as lawfully brought under the
    administrative control of the other, would be dangerous to its own peace and safety and declares that it would act
    to meet the common danger in accordance with its constitutional processes.
    ......
    UNDERSTANDING OF THE UNITED STATES
    [The United States Senate gave its advice and consent to the ratification of the treaty subject to the following
    understanding:]
    It is the understanding of the United States that neither party is obligated, under Article III of the above
    Treaty, to come to the aid of the other except in case of an external armed attack against such party; nor shall
    anything in the present Treaty be construed as requiring the United States to give assistance to Korea except in the
    event of an armed attack against territory which has been recognized by the United States as lawfully brought
    under the administrative control of the Republic of Korea.
     
  9. coleg

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    Ignoring the decimation of the regular Russian troops that necessitated nationwide conscription? DD " We planned on the deaths of masses of regular army so we could pit untrained, under armed conscripts against Ukraine." ROTFLMAO. Try again we expect some semblance of possibility, not obvious fantasy Comrade.
     
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  10. duggers_dad

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    At this point I’m Likely but trending towards Unlikely. Ball’s in Biden’s court ...

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  11. duggers_dad

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    Also breaking: the Ghost of Kyiv racked up his 68th kill.
     
  12. carpeveritas

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    Speaking figuratively - the economy is in shambles, conservation of energy protocols implemented by the EU and European nations, rampant inflation and shutting down industrial complexes (steel, aluminum, glass, etc....). While this may be of little concern to us and gets no media coverage in the US it is certainly of concern to the European population.
     
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  13. coleg

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    How many Ghosts of fallen Russian Generals and Colonels are we up to? Close to that 68 number thrown out. LOL Coup due in how many days, Comrade?
     
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  14. duggers_dad

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    So many Russian generals have died and so many troops have been frost bitten that the Ghost of Kyiv is on leave.
     
  15. Sohogator

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    Again wildly overstated. I suspect you have zero idea of what going on in Europe. I work in FP&A for a large multinational manufacturer. I’m intimately aware of the financial results of EMEA. (Includes Middle East and Africa. They’re not going to meet plan but it’s not a wipe out and the management has levers to boost performance. If your arguments were rooted in hyperbole they might make better traction (not with me I hate appeasement).
     
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    So you're saying our options are, full out war against every authoritarian government on the globe, or lie down and let authoritarians governments do whatever they want?

    You're points seem to always be stuck in false dichotomies.
     
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  17. duggers_dad

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    US has been doing whatever it wants for decades. But it’s getting some strong pushback of late.
     
  18. chemgator

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    Putin wins a great victory in Ukraine, taking the bones of Catherine the Great's lover Potemkin, who conquered Crimea. The bones were taken out of a crypt. This is a great prize for Putin, as now he has someone with experience in invading Ukraine, and he can finally get his generals to rally around the new military leader, who will never say anything bad about Putin or the war effort. But first, Potemkin must sit at the end of the long table while Putin gazes lovingly into his eye sockets from the other end. Then the music will play and the romance can begin as Putin applies bright red lipstick to his own quivering mouth. More at eleven.

    Russia stole from a Ukrainian crypt the bones of Catherine the Great's lover, the conqueror who annexed Crimea and inspired Putin

     
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    Mass-rape is a recycled war myth. Going into WWI there were reports that the Huns were throwing babies in the air and catching them on pitchforks. Fast forward to 2002 when Iraqis were removing babies from incubators and placing them on the floor.