St. Louis School Shooting

You can always poke holes on any one proposal and claim it isn’t perfect. We aren’t looking for perfection. A series of well thought out restrictions and regulations will reduce the probability of such incidents.

 

If it weren't for the 2A, we'd all be locked up in an interment camp like the Australians were in some parts of their country over Covid-19... even today. And we ALL would have been forced to take the clot shot or stay locked up.

But, as far as this story goes. Another dark day on a school campus. How on Earth do these nut-bars get their hands on these weapons and still get them into schools?

 

Have you read what the parents had done in this case? By all accounts they did everything possible except have the kid baker acted

 

Not sure any of his proposals would reduce the probability. Maybe it would. I don't know.

 

And therefore, neither are school shootings, SADLY!

Just an apples to oranges political talking point anyway. School kids/teachers are not going to school looking to get shot, as compared to most fentanyl buyers who are just looking to get high.

 

Yep, this one is 100% on the state for giving a sick person his guns back. The parents weren’t enablers like those Michigan nutjobs. That it’s on “the state” of course means there will be absolutely nobody held accountable.

 

They tried that in California. You have to pass a background check to buy ammo.

 

I’d say it’s almost defacto mental illness to possess such an arsenal, and it’s hard to fathom legit reasons for driving around with it (unless you literally own a gun shop/range and are transporting inventory). For the proverbial Joe 6-pack (or in this case 19 year old)? It demonstrates clear mental illness imo.

Problem is how do you capture that in the law? Do you set a specific quantity? When a person amasses “insane” amounts of other things it’s just called hoarding. I guess at some point if a lady has too many cats sometimes the state steps in, but it’s not “specific” and takes extremes. The state generally has no such power with guns.

 

Mental illness to own a bunch of ammo?

 

FBI background check blocked gun sale to St. Louis shooter

ST. LOUIS (AP) — The 19-year-old gunman who forced his way into a St. Louis school and killed two people purchased the AR-15-style rifle from a private seller after an FBI background check stopped him from buying a weapon from a licensed dealer, police said Thursday.

Orlando Harris tried to buy a firearm from a licensed dealer in nearby St. Charles, Missouri, on Oct. 8, St. Louis police said in a news release Thursday evening. An FBI background check “successfully blocked this sale,” police said, though they didn’t say why the sale was blocked. A message seeking comment wasn’t immediately returned.

Harris then bought the rifle used in the school shooting on Monday at Central Visual and Performing Arts High School from a private seller who had purchased it legally in 2020, police said.

Police noted in the release that Missouri does not have a red-flag law aimed at keeping firearms away from people who may be a danger to themselves or others. As a result, police “did not have clear authority to temporarily seize the rifle when they responded to the suspect’s home when called by the suspect’s mother on 10/15/22.”

 

Having thousands of rounds is not uncommon amongst gun owners, nor is it really an arsenal. Many gun owners chuckle when we see news reports of "xx was arrested and found to be in possession of a rifle and 1000 rounds of ammo" because what the media tends to present as a large amount intended to shock and awe is actually a small amount in the gun community.

This is really for a couple of reasons: it is both significantly cheaper to buy in bulk (especially if done online where shipping is factored in. Walmart doesn't really sell ammo anymore and they were one of the few stores that actually competes with online ammo prices), it allows one to still shoot and train during shortages, and frankly it isn't uncommon to go through a couple hundred rounds in whatever calibers you are shooting during a range trip, or even a thousand rounds or more during a training class.

 

It is illegal to sell a firearm to a prohibited person. However, the problem is there is no way for a regular citizen to know whether or not another person is prohibited aside from having a close relationship with that person or going to a gun store and paying said store another $50 or so to facilitate the transfer, which will also add such record of sale to the illegal registry the ATF has been keeping.

It would be fairly easy at this point to make NICS accessible to private citizens. Let the buyer go on a website, enter their information, and provide a control number of some sort to the seller. The seller can go online, enter the control number, it will provide a proceed or not, the seller can record a receipt on a bill of sale, both sides get a copy, and it absolves the seller of liability. Fail to do it during a sale creates strict liability for the seller if the buyer is a prohibited person at the time of the sale. No serial numbers or anything like that is even necessary so it prevents entry into any sort of registry.

 

These numbers are a bit deceiving and bias towards overcounting. Things like a gang shooting in a school parking lot at night or other things that may be shootings at or around a school but didn't actually endanger or target the students or faculty get counted even though they are not what most people will think of when they think of a school shooting. It's a bit dishonest, IMO (but not on your part).

 

Driving around with it? Seems insane. “Arsenal” probably wasn’t the correct term, as this guy only had a couple of guns or maybe even just 1. I would usually only use “arsenal” to describe a crazy amount of guns, not just for the ammunition. But for a guy to be carrying around 600 rounds on his person? Sorry, that’s fg&?in insane. As I said, if you aren’t going straight to the gun range with that it’s defacto insanity or potential mass shooter.

I can however understand having hundreds of rounds in one’s house for reasons as you describe, that’s why I said it’s hard to craft a law to define what is crazy. Is having 5 guns and 1000 rounds of ammo crazy on its own? Probably not. How about 500 guns and 50,000 rounds? There is no magic number, similar to hoarders or obscenity it’s “I know it when I see”. Unfortunately as I said, the law can’t set a numerical threshold, so it requires other factors to demonstrate “crazy”, in this case the intervention failed and that cost two lives (could have been alot more).

 

Then is just a mindlessly stupid answer. Are you expecting a response?

 

I have a friend who says the constitution guarantees the right to a gun not ammo. He wanted to tax it at 25 dollars a bullet. Use the tax revenue for mental health care.

 

Parents even had him committed (or checked in) a few times. Mom said they searched his room 3x a week and monitored every package he got. What were the giant red flags that caused him to do this? And most importantly, what actions did his mental health professionals take?
Personally, you could make it 25 and 10 round magazines and it wouldn’t bother me a bit other than losing stock… but we still need broader must report laws for mental health folks regarding the gun buying system only.