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Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by GatorNorth, Feb 25, 2020.

  1. antny1

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    You know how it works. People don't really die from covid. It's just coincidence that so many died at the same time. Meanwhile any and all claimed reactions or deaths in any proximity to a vaccine means the vaccine did it....
     
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    No coincidence at all. Establish panic as policy, all that that entails, hammer an aging and already unhealthy population with stark terror, i.e., “You could get this and DIE!” ... watch people drop like flies, no virus necessary.
     
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    yep. Or anyone that died had a pre existing condition like high-blood pressure or high cholesterol, or a cancer survivor, or older, or carrying a few extra pounds, or high glucose levels, or out of shape, etc. so basically vast majority of country.
    Stop listening to doctors and science. Do your own research!
     
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  4. mdgator05

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    Still aren't answering the question. Did you even read the paper I posted? It seems like you aren't willing to critically think about your own ideas and challenge them to devise better answers to questions or to come to better conclusions.
     
  5. antny1

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    This ignore feature has made this thread so much more bearable without the delusional contrarian DD.

    The intellectual dishonesty is the most frustrating aspect of people cherry picking their "facts."
     
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  6. gatordavisl

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    They're gov employees. Holy shit. Didn't think it possible, but you continue to outdo yourself.
     
  7. buckeyegator

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    and were and from who does the government get the money to pay them, taxes,of course which we pay.
     
  8. duggers_dad

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    With ‘pre-existing conditions’, such as commonly referenced ... who needs a virus to carry you over the river ?
     
  9. duggers_dad

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    ... or of people making a public show of placing people on ignore and continuing to incessantly chatter about the posts they’re supposed to have on ignore.
     
  10. duggers_dad

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    Of course I read your paper and succinctly exposed its flaws. What, did they find this ‘virus’ on the kitchen counter and scrape it into a sterile container ? ‘Isolation’ is anything but.
     
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  11. ncargat1

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    There are 3 known naturally occuring variants. Type 2 was declared eradicated from the globe in 2015. Only type 1 and 3 are now identified in humans. However, we have several strains of Vaccine Derived Polio Virus (like what the unvaccinated person in NY state developed). These are mostly from the use of the Oral Polio virus which uses a weaked virus particle in the vaccine. In some people, the weakend form of the virus is able to replicate in the gut/intenstines. So, while the host does not become infected, virus is passed from the human host into the surroundings. If people come in contact with with human waste, usually through drinking water not properly sanitized like in western countries, they may then become infected. They cna then sneeze or cough on others and in turn infect them.

    When I travel to China, the nurse recommends a polio booster because polio has been detected in water samples from China, both wild type and VDPV. Not so much to protect me from disease, but even a with a mild infection (or even asymptomatic infection) I could still spread the disease. So, the boosters, just like COVID, ramp up your neutralizing anti-bodies for 2-3 months to ensure I do not get infected and bring it on a jet full of people or to my family at home.
     
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  12. mdgator05

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    Except you told me to go to a section that wasn't there, didn't quote the paper when discussing the methodology (just made a general complaint about the process) or know any of the methods in specific, and apparently don't even know anything about the virus or where it came from. So no, I don't think you did read the paper. If you did, you understood none of it.
     
  13. duggers_dad

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    I directed you to a section that was materials by another name. Get over it. And the methods section only underscores the inanity of electron microscopy.
     
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  15. duggers_dad

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    In my view, the lab leak theory is a huge misdirect. In reality, there was nothing to have leaked.

    The only thing that leaked out was panic. And it quickly engulfed the world.
     
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  16. mdgator05

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    Sure. Like I said, you didn't read it or you would have directed me to the section that did exist (whatever section you were referring to) not the one that didn't. Also, you would have not said that they must have done one of several things, given that they described what they did very precisely. So yeah, you didn't read it (or, at the minimum, were completely unable to understand it, but don't want to admit that).

    As I suspected, you aren't really willing to subject your own belief system to potentially contradictory evidence. It is why people who claim that they have crazy beliefs due to critical thinking are so often wrong: they never actually think critically. They just believe what they want to believe, often without the background to even question those beliefs.
     
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  17. mdgator05

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    Hmm, so you believe just the GOP members of the Senate Committee on Health Education, Labor and Pensions over published, peer-reviewed articles on the topic. Why is that? Do you think Tommy Tuberville (who sits on that committee) is the right person to untangle this? Seems strange that you would, without question, believe only one party in a report, given that you aren't partisan and all...

    https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abp8715

    https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abp8337

     
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  18. duggers_dad

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    The study you offered tendered as contradictory evidence is bereft. You’re now clinging to my mistaken directions which I proceeded to correct. Summary: your study stands as yet more evidence that, not only is isolation not accomplished, it is never tried.
     
  19. mdgator05

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    You have yet to point to a single specific problem with it. I'll give you another opportunity. Quote the specific problem with the identification of the virus and with its isolation and then explain, utilizing the correct terminology, why that is problematic.

    As of now, the best you have stated is that because they treated the virus sample with anti-biotics and anti-fungals, it wasn't isolated, which is a bit absurd, because how else would you isolate something from fungi or bacteria?
     
  20. duggers_dad

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    Your own study underscores how the previously plainly understood term “isolate” has been debased by virologists.

    Boiled down, illness is observed in a population. A tissue sample is taken from a sick person. The sample is centrifuged and grown in a culture including monkey kidney cells, bovine calf serum and various toxins.

    Toxins destroy cells wherein cell death is attributed to a virus. The photographs of ‘viruses’ are nothing more than stained artifacts.