It' a sad state of affairs in gun-violent America, but alas, here we are. I'm sure many of us are glad that we're not in school anymore so we don't have to deal with it, but our children, grandchildren, nieces, nephews etc certainly do.
Not trying to be a wise-ass. Trying to have a sensible conversation here. 1)21 or 25 to own a gun. The 26th amendment guaranteed Constitutional rights (in that case, voting) to everyone 18 and above. I don't mind an extended waiting period on this demographic, I think that could be a compromise point. My only hesitation there is you have a 19 year old woman with a abusive domestic partner. She might need that Glock right away. 2)I am in agreement about safe gun storage, its just good common sense. My only problem is enforcement. Are we subject to snap inspections? I say no. Harsher penalties for a child getting your gun and having an accidental discharge? Throw the book at them. 3)Ten bullets? That would outlaw most guns currently on the market. Magazine capacity has nothing to do with anything. I can change the Mag on my Sig in less than a second. That ain't the hill for gun control to die on. 4)Buying bullets at a range? Are you saying we shouldn't have ammunition in our home? Or were you getting at something else? I have a range on my property I am moving to in a few weeks. In the country, I could run into a rattlesnake, have a coyote in my livestock, or smaller predators in my chickens. Should I shout at them to stop them from destroying my food? Or something else? 5)Hunters are required to have a safety course. Not sure that is where that makes a dent. You very rarely hear about hunting accidents, and when you do, it is usually because the person being shot did something stupid, like not wearing orange vest/cap, etc., or being downrange of known hunting areas. But as we all know, hunting was not the purpose of the 2nd amendment. The only way this changes is to get 2/3 of Congress to propose a repeal of the 2nd amendment, and then 3/4 of state legislatures to ratify it.
I'd say this... when schools are no longer a soft target, the school shootings will stop. If you are a deranged person bent on killing, you go to the place where you expect no resistance. It pisses me off, but you know there is no resistance inside of a school.
Schoolchildren and teachers by their nature will always be a “soft target”, just as restaurants and shopping malls will always be soft targets to terrorists. With some targets there is no practical way to “harden” them (who is going to go shopping or dining in a prison-like environment?). Schools can be hardened around the perimeter at least, the issue is resources, it’s a strain on resources that should be deployed elsewhere. Those 7 guards need to be paid, do that at every school in a large district and that’s thousands of security personnel that county/city govt must pay. I’m sure it’s not great for the mental health of kids to be shuffled in to prison like environments and do mass shooter drills. But again, this is the world gun activists have now created in this country, this is the new reality. You basically give them prison like layers of security and keep them locked in with MULTIPLE guards monitoring points of access. Even having one armed cop isn’t enough if the points of access arent controlled tightly.
The constant murdering of innocent men, women and children is a small price to pay to protect our God-given right to own monstrous firearms. So, “no” to getting rid of the 2nd Amendment and “yes” to changing the name, United States of America, to Shit-Hole Land.
Schools by nature are "softer targets" than the other places you mentioned. A mass shooting in Indiana was thwarted by Elijah Dicken, who hit 8/10 shots from 40 yards. When you go to a mall or a restaurant, there might be some armed resistance. Criminals are going to criminal. By nature they don't obey laws. I refuse to disarm myself until criminals disarm themselves. That includes the ones in Washington.
Hunting weapons was my issue. Guns need to be locked up when not in use by an adult. I am trying to be reasonable. I think history is on the side of the 2nd amendment but the future isn’t. If you want to maintain your gun rights long term you need to come up with reasonable safeguards.
I don't get it????? Here is a case where security officers responded, did the right thing, Police showed and did the right thing and this menace to society is taken out immediately. We all wish it would have been before he was able to kill anyone, but it appears the policies put in place kept this from escalating to an even worse outcome. All we get in this thread is gun control, security officers are a blob, it's a shame we have to have schools like prisons. This response by all involved should be front and center just like any other school shooting where the CRIMINAL is successful carrying out is derangement. You show these pieces of $hit that you walk on campus you leave in body bag, and it may slow them down.
I want to move to a country where people are mature enough and intelligent enough to not tell me that they will buy me a one-way ticket to another country.
Hunting weapons are typically kept unloaded, often in a gun cabinet, with the ammo in a different place. Hunters are typically over the top on gun safety. Reasonable safeguards are subjective. I don't think anything you proposed, other than maybe the age restriction, stop any of the mass shootings. I don't necessarily disagree with that one, other than legal precedent already set. None of them solve the typical homicide or suicide that make up 99% of deaths cause by firearm. They do restrict the rights of law abiding criminals. I'm going to stop here.
None of these people expect to get away with it. They are suicidal and are going out in a blaze of glory.
Which country would that be? And you are right, I took a low blow. I love this country despite its warts. I apologize for my sophomoric response. I'm giving myself a vacation.
I understand that and agree. Since that is what we are dealing with we need the policies and protection in place where they don't get to kill anybody before they are taken out. One person dying at the hands of these crazed maniacs is unacceptable. The only way to stop them is take them out before they take out an innocent life. It appears in this case they nearly did.
What the gun crazed don’t realize and I guess will never grasp at this point, is that THEY are helping arm the criminals. Lax gun laws and high volume makes it incredibly easier for criminals and the mentally ill to obtain guns, hell not just in the U.S. either, we armed all the cartels too helping to fuel violence elsewhere in our hemisphere - almost all U.S. gun exports (and then the rubes want to build walls to prevent migration fleeing the violence). It’s insane to watch this all play out.
It requires perfect security at all times, to be even more prison like in terms of controlled access. This school had 7 guards and locked doors, and it still required some degree of luck to not be a much worse incident.
If they are denied their “blaze of glory” it at least makes it a less appealing target. Truly sick people will just develop alternate plans.
Are you simply trying not to be taken seriously? Do you have kids and tell them that's how to conduct a conversation? "You see son, you make up the most ridiculous stuff you can about someone and you say it over and over and over! It's really super cool!"
