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In 2020, Portland decriminalized hard drugs...

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by back2back2006, Oct 23, 2022.

  1. gatordavisl

    gatordavisl VIP Member

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    Not all, but if you don't think most major metros have a similar element, then you are mistaken. And to your bout with docspor, you're out of your league. Continue at your own peril. ;)
     
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  2. gatordavisl

    gatordavisl VIP Member

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    Why not? I'm sure you live in the most wonderful city in the U.S. with the greatest embedded conservative values, but personally, I'd be thrilled to live in Portland or SanFran.
     
  3. demosthenes

    demosthenes Premium Member

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    It wasn’t the local government, it was a statewide ballot initiative that passed by almost 60%.
     
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  4. demosthenes

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    Believe it or not people have studied measure 110 and haven’t found evidence of what you claim. Law enforcement makes unsubstantiated claims of increases but when they looked at the actual data there was no change.

    Portland has a lot nasty areas but they preceded measure 110.
     
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  5. demosthenes

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    That’s because you’re already trudging through 5” of snow.

    I live in Portland and there are some really nice parts and pockets of areas I stay away from. I’ve seen it in all big cities. I do think SFO/PDX/SEA attract more that their fair share due to taking a more compassionate stance.
     
  6. magnetofsnatch

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    What’s keeping you from moving there?
     
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  7. gatorchamps960608

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    How strange that the "don't make me take a free and safe Covid vaccine against my will" people are the "jail people if they choose to take hard drugs" crowd also.
     
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  8. back2back2006

    back2back2006 GC Legend

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    Governments are corrupt and are complete trash. This is more about the results of laws passed by these cities and the results of said laws. These laws that these cities have passed have given Darwanism almost a whole new meaning.
     
  9. rivergator

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    There is legitimate discussion to be had about whether or not decriminalizing possession of hard drugs has worked in Oregon. It is not helped by a highly partisan video on YouTube.
     
  10. citygator

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    I was in San Fran relatively recently. Here are my pics. Planning on taking a Vancouver + Seattle trip late spring. Will send pics. ;)

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  11. citygator

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    Here is Dallas.

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  12. Orange_and_Bluke

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  13. citygator

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    No that’s really Dallas and that’s the kind of one off stuff righties post about San Fran and Seattle.
     
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  14. gatordavisl

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    My profession
     
  15. Orange_and_Bluke

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    Sigh.
    The highest homeless populations are out in mostly libbie cities though. Liberalism bleeding hearts create whiny “that’s not fair” children and bonus, they create environment for the homeless.
    highest homeless population in the US:
    • New York City. Homeless Population: 77,943. ...
    • Los Angeles City. Homeless Population: 63,706. ...
    • Seattle. Homeless Population: 11,751. ...
    • San Jose. Homeless Population: 9,605. ...
    • San Francisco. Homeless Population: 8,124. ...
    • San Diego.
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  16. homer

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    Right or wrong some people don’t think the covid vaccine is safe.

    Fentanyl is killing people due to its potency and being secretly added to other drugs. Many who die are young and just want to get high for whatever reason?

    If you legalize hard drugs there needs to be something in place that makes it illegal to manufacture or deal in hard drugs that are deadly. Way too many unintentional ODs that end in death
     
  17. mdgator05

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    Legal markets have great mechanisms for product quality control. Secretly adding ingredients to drugs is the type of thing you see in illegal markets. In legal markets, you can be sued for this sort of activity and both lose money and take a pretty substantial PR hit. Also, government regulators can catch you doing it.

    You saw the same phenomenon during prohibition. In NYC alone, hundreds of people were dying due to poisoned illegal alcohol. Since it became legal again, you don't see the same issues as AB Inbev has incentive to provide a product that isn't poisoned.

    Top 10 Prohibition Tales - TIME
     
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  18. citygator

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    Give me a name of a conservative city without a homeless problem and tell me how they solved it. Your list is of big cities. Awesome.
     
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  19. Rocinante

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    I have read well over 1,000 studies on addiction since I quit drinking. I am a very big advocate of “HARM” based treatment when appropriate. Yes we have a lot of deaths by overdose; acute based deaths. If you consider slow roll death by addiction the deadliest drugs can be bought at 7-11; alcohol and nicotine. If you consider the primary rule that makes a drug a class 1 drug; wether it has any medical use. The only two on the primary list of drugs taken in the US that don’t meet that standard; nicotine and alcohol. The 5th most dangerous drug, more dangerous than Cocain; is alcohol. That’s defined by the delta between high and death. Fentanyl would be #1/heroine. LSD/Psylocibin/ THC and a couple others are impossible to die an acute overdose death from. They all have some medical use.

    Portugul decriminalized drugs in 2001 and re-allocated the money on the drug war to treatment. The results are clear. See graph and attached article.

    Drug decriminalisation in Portugal: setting the record straight. | Transform

    The added benefit is that if we regulated hard drugs; we’d have fewer ODs; just by making sure the drug someone thinks they are taking is what they are taking. Here in Colorado; a team went to Red Rocks during a young oriented concert and randomly tested MDMA doses that people allowed them to test. All had Fentanyl. MDMA isn’t going to kill anyone; 99% of the time but hot doses of Fentanyl will. The second benefit; we put the bad guys in Mexico out of business. Third; we stop throwing money at the dumb game of cops and robbers via the drug war.

    Too Many Lives Lost: Comparing Overdose Mortality Rates and Policy Solutions Across High-Income Countries.
     
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  20. mrhansduck

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    Happy for you. Would be curious to hear about it sometime if you're willing to share.