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Christian Nationalism

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  1. VAg8r1

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    Gerald LK Smith was the founder of the Christian Nationalist movement. Smith was a fundamentalist preacher and politician who was most active from the late 1930s through the early '60s. He was also a virulent anti-Semite and racist. The following is an excerpt for Smith's 1976 obituary.
    The platform of the Christian Nationalists called for the deportation of Zionists. the dissolution of all “Jewish Gestapo organizations,” the forced shipment of blacks to Africa and the liquidation of the United Nations. All these remained Smith goals, in addition to about 40 others, some of which were, in Mr. Smith's words: “To fight the monc,relizers . . . The preservation of our Christian faith against the threat of Jew Communism . . . Restore the right of Christian prayer is public buildings ... Expose and fight the black Plague.. .”
    Gerald L. K. Smith Dead; Anti‐Communist Crusader (Published 1976)
    One of Smith's disciples, an adviser to the Pennsylvania gubernatorial campaign of Doug Mastriano, somewhat moderated Smith's original message stating he doesn't advocate the deportation of Jews and Black although they must recognize that the US is a white Christian country. Speaking of Mastriano (the link also mentions our good friend from Colorado, Lauren Boebert).
    The Far-Right Christian Quest for Power: ‘We Are Seeing Them Emboldened’
     
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  2. ursidman

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    How awfully white of him.
     
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  3. PITBOSS

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    that sure didn’t take long to be proven wrong…..

    “We need to be the party of nationalism and I’m a Christian, and I say it proudly, we should be Christian nationalists,”.
    MTG


    Marjorie Taylor Greene to GOP: 'We Should Be Christian Nationalists'
     
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  4. QGator2414

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    I had no idea one person equals a "bunch"...

    If you really think Christians are trying to establish the religion of Christianity as the State Religion for the United States of America. You are living in hysteria.

    This quote by MTG is ridiculous.
     
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  5. tampagtr

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    Mastriano's aides just keep doubling down

     
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  6. ursidman

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    I’m gobsmacked by these goings-on. As kid I went to revivals but they didn’t charge $250 per ticket ($500 VIP), feature Dee Snider screaming that he’s not going to take it anymore, have to walk past tables of vendors selling hats, T-shirts, nutritional supplements, and beauty products, or listen to such ungodly worship leaders as Mike Flynn, Roger Stone, or Don Trump Jr or a so-called man of god call political opponents “mongrels” and worse as alter calls are made and baptisms done. Definitely never heard a worship leader whip the crowd into a tongue-speaking frenzy as he exhorted them on the merits of Christian Nationalism.
    If you attend Flynn's Great ReAwakening are you then Woke? As George W. said about another matter: this is some weird shit. 4 paragraphs doesn't do it justice. Read the whole article.

    Michael Flynn’s ReAwaken roadshow recruits ‘Army of God'

    “We’re under warfare,” one speaker told them. Another said she would “take a bullet for my nation,” while a third insisted, “They hate you because they hate Jesus.” Attendees were told now is the time to “put on the whole armor of God.” Then retired three-star Army general Michael Flynn, the tour’s biggest draw, invited people to be baptized.

    Since early last year, the ReAwaken America Tour has carried its message of a country under siege to tens of thousands of people in 15 cities and towns. The tour serves as a traveling roadshow and recruiting tool for an ascendant Christian nationalist movement that’s wrapped itself in God, patriotism and politics and has grown in power and influence inside the Republican Party.

    Inside a revival tent set up outside, people sat in white folding chairs packed so tightly the rows between were nearly impassable. From the stage, speakers stirred up fear and hatred. Immigrants are rushing over the border “to take your place,” one said. Homosexuals and pedophiles are classified in the same category: sinful people who don’t honor God. Life-saving vaccines are creating “a damn genocide.” “The enemy wants to muzzle you,” another speaker warned. “He wants to shut your mouth.” There were frequent personal attacks on Democrats, with no remark apparently off limits. Clark questioned the gender of former first lady Michelle Obama. Locke called Democrats “baby-butchering mongrels.”

    Trump ally Roger Stone asked for donations to his legal defense fund. A naturopath promoted her organic health and beauty line. The stage backdrop even carried ads for a company that buys and sells gold and silver and bills itself as “General Flynn’s Gold Buyer of Choice.” In booths inside and outside the church, buyers could pick up a $3,300 vibrating platform that could purportedly ease back pain and increase sexual function, a $259 blanket sold to shield the user from 5G, and a “power pendant” that supposedly helps people absorb “the natural living frequencies to empower your body, mind and spirit.”
     
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  7. dangolegators

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    The dregs of humanity. Super creepy stuff.
     
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  8. duggers_dad

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    America is so close to becoming a theocracy that Biden is about to sign into law an edict requiring all 12 year olds to be baptized.
     
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  9. tampagtr

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    I don’t recall ever agreeing with Cal Thomas before in my life, but I do here. He makes an unassailable theological argument against the concept of Christian nationalism. And this on the day when the Tampa Bay Times as a front page story about Mike Flynn successfully setting up a Christian nationalism enclave in Sarasota County.


    This ideology, this misplaced faith that a fallen humanity can — or should — impose a worldview through government that a majority do not share goes back to at least the time of Jesus. In the Book of Acts, the Disciples asked Jesus, “Lord, has the time come for you to free Israel and restore our kingdom?” (Acts 1:6 NLT). They were looking for an earthly kingdom with themselves in charge. They wanted to throw off the Roman occupation and “take over.” Make Israel great again!

    Later, Jesus would respond to Pontius Pilate, who asked him if he was a king: “My kingdom is not an earthly kingdom. If it were, my followers would fight to keep me from being handed over to the Jewish leaders. But my kingdom is not of this world,” (John 18:36 NLT). That statement is a powerful rebuke to those who seek a kingdom that would be as flawed as they are if it ever came to fruition.


    On Christian nationalism and rendering unto Caesar and God - Tampa Bay Times
     
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  10. wgbgator

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    I'm not sure Biblical arguments are all that effective since for most Christians religion is simply a cultural identity rather than a set of timeless beliefs, particularly for Protestants who feel its their prerogative to simply make stuff up as they go when it comes to scripture
     
  11. tampagtr

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    I would submit that it may be the only type of argument that might succeed, especially if delivered by someone with his background and history.

    But you are correct, nothing may be sufficiently successful.

    I think his argument could be effective against well-meaning true believers, who prioritize faith over identity. But too much of the current version of "Christian nationalism" is no more than "Christian identity", white supremacy justified through religion. Not like this is anything new in history, but it seems to be particularly virulent and dangerous now. This is on today's front page. I don't think these people could ever be dissuaded by theology:

    After the failed insurrection, Flynn moved to Sarasota County and set out to build a political community of like-minded people. He found an operating base of sorts at The Hollow in rural Venice. It’s a 10-acre site that’s at times a children’s playland, wedding venue, organizing space and weapons training ground.

    The Hollow’s owner, Victor Mellor Sr., is a former Marine who posted on Facebook that he “Just knocked on front doors” of the Capitol on Jan. 6. Mellor told “Frontline” that he was proud he was there that day and once suggested on social media that he would have a “J6 reunion at the Hollow.”

    Flynn first visited the site in May 2021, and the next day, Mellor posted on Facebook that there was a “war going on” and pledged “all our resources to the Flynns in this battle.” Since then the Hollow has turned into a center of activity for Sarasota County’s far right.

    Last fall, the Hollow drew thousands to events with Flynn in attendance where doctors distributed mask and vaccine waivers for school children. The site hosts political groups and candidates, offers free playdates — with water slides, zip lines and a bouncy house — has advertised classes on “Biblical citizenship,” food storage and wound and trauma care, and provides access to a neighboring, unpermitted gun range to ex-military and law enforcement. The gun range has hosted groups as large as 40 and has offered free shooting lessons to children as young as 6.



    How Michael Flynn goes local to spread Christian nationalism
     
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  12. ursidman

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    Still not a cult. Nope, far, far from a cult.

     
  13. rivergator

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    That's got to be a joke. A voiceover.
     
  14. ursidman

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    I’ll take that bet
     
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  15. FutureGatorMom

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    If it is, the people in the video are lip syncing the voice over.
     
  16. rivergator

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    this ought to be a few people who live in rundown trailers in a small compound in the Arizona desert, who stand in their bathrobes and shout obscenities at people driving by on the highway.
    Not thousands of people filling up auditoriums
     
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  17. FutureGatorMom

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    All you have to do is look at the flags the insurrectionists had on Jan 6th

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  18. duggers_dad

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    Will the big cult please stop beating up on the little cult ?
     
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  19. FutureGatorMom

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    Let us know when this so called "big cult" tries to attack democracy. It's all there for you in videos and pictures. You can't explain it away, so let's deflect.
     
  20. duggers_dad

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    Big Cult: Stay Home, Save Lives —> Hands Up, Don’t Shoot — Orange Man Bad —> Bad Man Putin, Trans Lives Matter —> Dana Raddatz weeping on Jan. 6 ...