Sure. Children living in an area with all F rated schools, or have special needs, should get help. They were also supposed to be$1,000 per student per year, I'd like to know if it changed. I'm doubtful that is enough for lower income parents. I just wish they'd work as hard to improve public education. Cheaper than the voucher idea. Now that you know they don't have any of that accountability, do you still like the idea the way it stands?
"ANY of that accountability." Even if everything you said as you said it is true, they're still accountable to the market. If nobody wants to send their kids to that school, they'll fail. Everyone, and I mean everyone, is accountable to somebody. I would prefer vouchers with strings attached, though not necessarily all of your preferences. But I certainly prefer the current voucher system to one that forcefeeds lower income people into the public school system.
Vouchers are just a way to get money from the people to religious institutions with gubmit as a broker vs corporate profiteer’s
Not exactly sure what you are getting at. I agree that curriculum devel is a distinct skill. My point was about scripted curricula, which not only consists of learning materials and activities, but an actual script. It's an awful model, except for perhaps some exceptions. In my discipline, the teacher tends to have a great amount of autonomy wrt curriculum content, not to mention delivery. I recognize that may be different for the Trig or Chem teacher. I don't want teachers w/o some say in the curriculum, though, and I def want teachers to possess curric devel skills. Like developing one's delivery ability, it's a lengthy process.
So those conditions are okay for pubic schools that get our tax money, but not private for profit schools that get our tax money? Are you serious right now? Schools should not get my money if they don't at least meet that criteria. End of story.
I agree with you in principle, but for every teacher we want doing that how many do we not? (Devils advocate from going to a freeform elementary school that was shut down do to low student learning, early 60’s) My point was more towards the energy (time) we have folks spend on issues that have been well fletched out. A 1000 individual systems that don’t learn from each other (hyperbole and pun). Systems issue vs individual teachers. Lots of research and studies out there on best practices residing in, cough, liberal institutions Now your math point is a good one, and I tend to look at things more through the lens of math and science or even more basic math and reading instruction vs the soft sciences. I also have not seen a curriculum that is read verbatim and would agree that would be bad. Unless of course you want to press a bunch of unqualified automatons into service. Ymmv. Good discussion. Go Gators
Maybe more like politicians should stay out of education how many new rules did the Florida Legislation decree this week?
What he's also saying is elected officials who routinely violate both the U.S. and Florida Constitutions are garbage.
no, our system has broken down because it is now a team game with no crossovers to control stupidity. The legislative branch is cowering in fear of losing the support of the bullypulpit that trumpets the far right with a mere mention of being held accountable for anything. Both on a national level and in the state of Florida. The legislature tried to stand up to DeSantis early but has become a rubber stamp as his populist support from the far right has increased.
That speaks more to my lack of trust in the public school system than a blind faith in private schools. I don't have blind faith in private schools, I just think granting that option without much information is preferable even at the expense of more taxpayer dollars than forcing the vast majority of middle and lower class families to send their kids to public school.
Even if no one is winning in this situation? The students, the taxpayers, even the government that is run by someone you obviously have a lot of trust in. Sounds like you have "blind faith" in the wrong things. Enjoy the rest of your weekend.
People are winning in this situation, don't be ridiculous. If there were no people winning in this situation, you wouldn't have outraged parents at school board meetings, and growing support for more school choice. You not liking certain public policy doesn't mean that nobody benefits from that policy.
Reactionaries don’t think big picture, so most probably have no metrics for what “winning” even means. This is especially true in these culture warrior battles. What’s a “win” even look like?
Parents having more options as to where they send their kids to school, among which include schools that will not raise children contrary to the values of the parents.
Very few are. People were outraged at school board meeting because "OMG my kid has to wear a mask?" Not because they wanted school choice. It's always been there with charter schools and private. Now covid positive cases are up amongst elementary kids because we've slackened off on the mask mandate. It is a non issue now because of the vaccine. There was a six week investigation done on this program and overall it's very bad. I don't like the policy because it is poorly put together with NO oversight on these for profit schools. Some of them are in shopping centers and go belly up in the middle of the school year. They don't hire real teachers. You like that?
If you think parents are only mad because kids had to wear masks, then you haven't been paying attention. But yes, kids should not have been forced to wear masks. Also, yes... I like private schools going out of business and doing a piss poor job of teaching kids. Ask stupid questions, get stupid answers.
Nothing wrong with your take. I would only add, "be careful about what you wish for, you may just get it." Kind of like the idea of removing the 60-vote protocols for various things in the US Senate. When you stupidly choose to eliminate it, you can't complain when it gets used against YOUR side when THEY are in power. As I said, history is a bitch and if you don't learn from it, you WILL live it. Humans are humans.
But what you are wanting is the ability to be a little bit pregnant. As you are well aware, you just CAN'T. All I am doing is to get you to realize that the law of unintended consequences is ALWAYS in play. We attempted to prevent certain things (we mainly call it tyranny) in how we wrote the original constitution. And now, we want government to do just about everything and anything (ie, big government), based on what we see as "unfair." Unfortunately...again... government IS a blunt instrument. And it always will be. I gave you concepts to assist you to realize the folly in what is transpiring (or you had hoped to accomplish). I will only give you one more, presumably right-center, mantra, If you let a camel's nose in the tent, the rest is soon to follow. Incrementalistic thinking leads to disasters. Just like trying to become a little bit pregnant.
