Teachers in Fl can lose their license...

Come on man. Surely you know the bill didn't address an existing issue, but was a grandstand play by DeSantis to stoke outrage in people just like yourself. I'm of the opinion DeSantis ought to lead, not appeal to fears, especially when there's no need to. He's not a leader. He's the worst kind of politician.

 

Of course. Field trips to the nearest drag club. Teach them their LGBTQ's before their ABC's.

 

I agree that you are at least partdopy. No one is crafting lesson plans around gay and transsexual topics. However, a teacher, without worrying about his or her job, should be able to have a photo of his or her spouse on his or her desk. The teacher also, without worrying about his or her job, should be able to explain to the students if the topic arises that some kids have 2 dads, some have 2 moms, some have a single parent and some are in foster homes. This type of ambiguous legislation along with the ambiguous anti-CRT legislation are meant to intimidate teachers into completely avoiding these topics even when it is appropriate to discuss them in response to inquiries from the kids. "Mr. teacher, Why does Johnny have 2 dads?" "Shut up kid. We can't talk about that." As an aside, we might have more than 20 million gay people in this country. The idea of trying to avoid any discussions about gayness or treat it as some type of evil or deviance is both wrong and absurd.

 

interesting. It is noteworthy that about 2/3 of the participants were female at birth transitioning to male. In those cases the start and end point was 3 years. For males at birth it was 6 years.

Are these numbers representative of percent transitioning - 2/3 female at birth?

This pew research study finds that younger people are more likely to identify as trans or non-binary.

About 5% of young adults in the U.S. say their gender is different from their sex assigned at birth

 

Yes. Visual aides and live demonstrations would be helpful.

 

It's such a patently stupid and dishonest question. Sexual orientation and gender identity are extremely broad concepts. I am a man. That qualifies as discussing gender identity. I like women. That qualifies as discussion of sexual orientation. It's quite easy to oppose this law without thinking we should teach third graders the intricate details of sexual orientation.

 

So party before truth and the law. Got it.

She gets kicked out, the Elise Stephanik, a previous moderate anti Trumper, who turned full MAGA, is promoted. Meanwhile MTG and all of her Jew hate, space lasers and “Peach Tree” dish concoctions has been given lots of visibility by McCarthy.

I think all (the few) house republicans who voted for impeachment are either retiring or voted out. The party has gone full MAGA.

At this point the Republican Party has really no redeeming values at all.

 

You know I’m not a huge fan of detailed LGBTQ discussions in early grade school, but I suspect it rarely, if ever, happens and I certainly don’t want the legislature involved. My kids had a couple of gay teachers in elementary school and we had no issues with it at all. One was excellent and the other seemed good.

 

John Dewey's ideas about progressive education (i. e. democracy-based, rich, student-directed, discovery/experience-based) were a century ahead. And to some extent, we are a century behind.

 

This is not true in FL. The unions have very little teeth. Would like to hear @swampbabe's knowledge on this.

 

Truth. Scripted curricula are "teacher proof." Anyone who wants that doesn't seek the potential of the teacher's creative content/delivery.

 

What is a Title IX school?

 

If you think that rich parents (including conservative politicians) send their kids to private schools just because of the educational quality, I've got a bridge in Cape Coral I'd like to sell you.

 

True. They send them to private schools so they can buy drugs from their rich friend, whose mom is a prosecutor and will protect him from any adverse consequences.

 

So, the rebound effect is egregious. Some innocent folks are going to be harmed by the blunt instrument known as government. That is a shame.

Maybe we should re-evaluate the role of big government in how we got here. You know, all the ideas that seem to incubate when you can "nobly" come up with ideas that have no basis in reality (so says history), but for some reason get implemented with impunity. And perhaps, we should look at the notion that unions in public environments (ie, captive money and not selective financial voting) are essentially illegal via the US Constitution. That way, the schools are beholden to the customer - the parents (as bad as some may end up being) - and not a bureaucracy.

And maybe, we will begin to understand that the concept of "the pursuit of happiness" is not the same as "the guarantee of fairness". And as long as you are not being oppressed (see illegal immigration as to how those folks decide whether we are oppressive or not), you are given a blank sheet of paper and you get to write it your own way. We used to embrace the "Helen Kellers" of the world, but now, somehow all we do is to call them victims and make them live on government goodies (you know, that big government thingy).

And to use two old and well-worn mantras (at least for me):

1) A liberal is a conservative who hasn't been mugged yet, and

2) A government that is big enough to give you everything you desire, is big enough to take everything you own.

If you take the time to reflect on what is happening in your OP, I think you can see the effects of what big government can and DOES do. It is what it IS. It is just that some folks think it is made up of "good guys" when it is doing "good things" and "bad guys" when it is doing "bad things." Perhaps some of you "noble" types will realize government is filled with humans doing human things. History says that is ALL there is.

So, maybe we are prepared to remove state and federal government from its role in education, just to allow the customers to be put back in charge (at least they have a fighting chance) and thereby eliminate programs and their funding, which then frees up the taxes for better uses (hopefully not social engineering programs). Or we could just whine about how "mean" government can be.

I am sorry that there are some unexpected consequences for some (many? just about all?) noble ideas such as "fairness". I can only use two other old and well-worn mantras:

1) The road to hell is paved with good intentions, and

2) You reap what you sow.

 

Personally I think it's forward thinking and a good thing to put into law. Now that it's done, it's not his fault that people who believe 7 year olds need to be taught about transgenders have a voice in society. It's pretty sad actually.

I've seen plenty of instances where sexual education, including transgender and lbgt stuff, is entering classrooms at inappropriately young ages. Considering how behind our students are in actual education I would think everyone would be happy at any non STEM, health (since everyone is fat) or life skill (budgeting, etc...) subjects have been removed.

I'm done in here as if you disagree with banning the intentional teaching of abnormal sexual behavior (or anything sex related) in K-3 classrooms you're not worth debating. You're just wrong.

 

We'll, the law says intentionally teaching it. Not sure what your made up example has to do with that.

If a teacher was fired for having a normal picture of their partner in the classroom, or answering a simple question about little Timmy's two mom's (mostly telling the questioner to ask their parents) I'd hope they get a lawyer and I'd root for a large settlement.