How is any investment funded? And no, it's not off topic though I can see why you don't actually want to answer the question.
My fine liberal friend…you are asking me a question that proves nothing and you likely believe will take me off topic. The govt receives money by taking other peoples wealth.
What in the world are you talking about? No one is bragging about building a road. You're talking about creating wealth. Could the trucking industry exist in any way like it is now without govt roads? The answer is no.
Dude that you decided to point out that the roads are so important tips your hand. You did that all on your own. Just as Obama famously said “you didn’t build that.” It’s irrational thinking that govt, which is funded BY THE WORKING PEOPLE, is responsible for shit. Govt is literally just the middle man. And they are very typically incompetent. You are siding with the bureaucracy. LOL.
I agree. Bad argument. The correct argument is they are blobs not babies that aren’t people. Here’s my argument that you guys are FOS. If millions of “babies” were being murdered you’d do more than post on too hot. Otherwise you’d be a sadistic coward. Fact is, you know no babies are being murdered but simply want to push your religious views on everyone else. No law will stop abortion because people know it’s their right. Laws keep you from doing drastic things to save babies because… they’re not babies. If it were legal to gas chamber actual babies those places would be over run. No one was killed in any abortion.
It's really bizarre isn't it? Clearly the interstate highway system was a government investment that produced wealth for the country and its citizens. This guy is so twisted up with his anti-government dogma that he can't acknowledge obvious facts. And why? No one is claiming that the government is better than the private sector at innovation and investment. But there are some things (like the interstate highway system) that pretty much have to be done by government and those investments produce wealth too.
We've done this before I feel. So it always ends with us saying "let's agree to disagree" and moving on. So, I'll just fast forward to that
Good for you. I've gone round and round with Tilly on this subject before. I like him as a poster, so I don't want try and change his mind anymore.
Lots of people make money from the government. I worked for an infrastructure company and a majority of the projects were funded by federal, state and local government. I also worked recently for an aerospace manufacturer where a significant portion of the money came from defense contractors. You don’t think contractors like Halliburton made substantial sums supporting our various wars? Pharma company’s make money hand over fist. A non trivial portion comes from government programs like Medicare and Medicaid. Until now the fed government could not negotiate prices on drugs. Govt spending clearly creates wealth in the pharma sector. What about Pfizer and Moderna? Are you saying government funded vaccines have created no wealth? Federal government spending usually ranges 20-25% of GDP. Throw in state and local government spending and it is 35-40% of GDP. More than 1/3 of the economy is sourced from government spending. Yet according to you none of that creates any wealth. You clearly are out of your league in the discussion. Absolutely clueless. I suggest you revert to your childish “libbie” taunts and stick with that. It seems to be your core competency.
You just repeated yourself again taking about govt spending. We aren’t talking about govt spending. I’ve already taken that out of the discussion. Either you cannot understand my point, or you don’t like it because you’re a govt lover, guess it hurts your feelings. Government has to first take from others….that’s how it generates its “wealth”. It is that simple. You can play pompous professor with your libbie buds. It hasn’t changed the fact that govt does not create Jack sheet.
What? We're not talking about government spending? That's just really dumb. Are we going to apply your rule to the private sector as well? Does the private sector generate wealth without first spending some money? Or did Google just appear out of thin air fully formed? What are you even talking about? Of course we are talking about government spending.
specifically for 1st trimester fetuses, why do they have the same right to life? How did you determine this? Can you find any examples ( other than some select in utero murder or manslaughter laws) where we fundamentally value the life of a fetus similar to people who are actually born? You find abortion so abhorrent that you would take the seemingly extreme action of attempting to have the government assume control over someone’s daughters body, and mandate an unwanted forced birth? However if she were to circumvent the law, you’d have the government forgive her and move on? Either abortion should be an abhorrent and illegal action, or not. Which is it? . Yes you can support both, but it is intellectually incongruent. Either it’s serious or it isn’t. I would presume that for the government to assume control of a woman’s body it would have to be a serious event. 1. Is there any biblical precedent to suggest Jesus thinks abortion is so abhorrent that it should be made illegal? 2. As a general rule does Jesus think Christianity rules and values should be enshrined into law and forced by the government? That’s essentially Sharia law. 3. Why do you think your religious values should be enforced by the government, when a clear majority of people think abortion should be legal at least in some circumstances? 4. If we are making (assumed) preferences of Jesus the law of the land, then shouldn’t we get rid of death penalty and most if not all of jail sentencing. Jesus teaches forgiveness and to turn the other cheek. Why ignore this literal teaching but enforce as law what you assume his views would be on abortion? You love and support your daughters, including one who views this differently, yet you still support laws that would force her to bring an unwanted pregnancy to term?
No, you don't. I'm not saying it's a bad thing, but you are accepting of rape and incest exceptions, right? Do you support a mother of a baby who has been born killing the baby because it was a product of rape? How about a mother of a 14 year old boy killing him because he was a product of rape?
Why? Dang, tell me why we are still circling this topic? I think you’re smart enough to figure out the major difference between how government is funded and a privately owned coffee shop. One takes on all the risk and uses it’s own resources. The other literally just taxes and takes other peoples wealth. Please stop acting like you can’t understand the difference. Govt simply takes and redirects the peoples wealth. This is getting ridiculous, even for you.
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I'm not as familiar with Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae, but like Amtrac, they are state owned enterprises. And I think they are profitable. As is not the case for the USPS.
