An honest conversation about Abortion

Maybe they don't believe in markets?

 

My attempt was not to question your parenting skills, but rather to point out that this isn't necessarily our fight to fight, it is mainly in the future. Thus the reference to children.

 

Yeah, it is a lofty and lonely place, but I manage.

Have a good day.

 

Wow, I’m conflicted on how to rate your post. It started out as a ‘winner’ and then you went into ‘disagree’ in your final paragraphs.(for me)
I’m with you about abortion. I also understand that you want to connect Desantis to your beliefs and that he might lead policy in a undesirable way for you.
But I think you’re a great poster who seems to bring much more positive than negative to the board. It made me think more about why you disagree with conservatives.

 

All the time Dems have been election deniers? They complained about the 2000 election and they complained about the 2016 election. There were even a small number of Dems who voted not to certify both of those elections. On the other hand the party's candidates have never refused to accept the results of the election unlike Trump. And while there was token Democratic symbolic opposition to certifying the elections of 2000 and 2016, a significant percentage of Republicans voted not to do so in, the Republican candidate has refused to accept his defeat and a large number of Republicans running in the 2022 midterms are supporting the defeated/deranged former president's narrative.
The 147 Republicans Who Voted to Overturn Election Results (Published 2021)
A majority of GOP nominees deny or question the 2020 election results

By the way, getting back to the subject of this thread. Every legislative proposal from Republican majority state legislatures post Dobbs would effectively outlaw almost all abortions. Not a single Republican proposal represents a compromise permitting even early elective first trimester abortions (before the 12th week).

 

If charity could fill the need, that would be great, but the reality is that it can’t, just like it can’t with every other ill of society.

I’d rather deal with reality.

 

While Stacey Abrams never formally conceded she did come much closer to admitting that she lost the election than Trump ever has.
Stacey Abrams’ concession speech is a powerful critique of US civil rights
And note she actually described specific flaws in the electoral process that tended to burden minority voters in the Georgia's 2018 gubernatorial election unlike Trump's truly baseless claims of massive voter fraud in the 2020 presidential election.
Also seems that you're following the playbook.
Republicans are trying to pin the ‘Big Lie’ on Stacey Abrams

 

As long as a man's only agency in child rearing is blowing his wad at the beginning of it all, any man who submits to it is an idiot. Bring on the sex bots.

 

Well, I have a best friend who is a proud conservative Christian who agrees with every word I typed. Is it conservatives I disagree with? I honestly don't know who the "conservatives" are anymore.

Edited to add: the last paragraph pretty much states that it is an emotional choice to be pro birth. There isn't enough extra thought put into it, imho, to take care of those children you force into this world. A world unfortunately ill prepared to take care of them.

Thank you Bluke, I appreciate the response.

 

What I think is irrelevant. Not my body. Not my choice. And abortion is necessary, especially in cases to save the mother's life. Other cases? Not so black and white as you want it to be.

Each decision is personal. Each case different. The 14 year old rape victim, for example, may be perfectly physically capable to carry to term. But what about emotionally or psychologically?

Then there's the pragmatic evidence you so conveniently ignore. If that 14 year old has a family with means, they simply travel to a place where abortion is safe and legal. Of she is dirt poor, the risk of suicide significantly increases, like we see in El Salvador. In the middle, and she gets a local, back-alley abortion, with greater risk of reproductive health complications because her abortion was illegal and unsafe. In the end, no baby saved.

What's worse, is police resources will be used to try and catch these back-alley clinics, and will arrest not only practicioners, but the women as well. And about half these women will have children living at home with them. Making these women felons breaks up families.

You are vitue signaling. You truly believe you're doing the right thing, but all evidence points to your position making things much worse. And I didn't even talk about women who now can't get needed prescriptions filled because of abortion laws.

 

There's a huge difference between symbolically refusing to concede an election for the governorship of a state and perpetuating an absurdly false narrative that the presidential election was stolen especially to the point of encouraging a violent attack of the Capitol with the intent of preventing the Vice President and Congress with performing their duties of certifying the election. If you think Trump had a legitimate claim provide examples of the massive voter fraud that he claims took place. Ironically, if Pennsylvania, Arizona and Wisconsin, three states that were forced to delay counting mail-in votes to create the illusion of possible irregularities had counted those votes the same way that Florida does, i.e. as the mail-in ballots arrive, the results of the election would have been determined within hours after the polls closed, not days later.

 

No one has said that government should not be part of the solution either. But spare me the insinuation I this the only answer.

 

No. I am standing against evil. In fact what you acknowledge is evil. One day you will also hope stand against what you acknowledge is evil instead of making excuses for it.

 

You need to also look at the consequences of your actions. If your "stand against evil" doesn't actually accomplish your stated goals, and actually leads to worse outcomes for many women, just how much good are you doing? Hence the phrase necessary evil. It's bad, but the alternatives are much worse.

 

Hillary gave a concession speech, when can we anticipate the orange one's?

 

Should all Democrats running be screened for past references to Russian interference ?