My attempt was not to question your parenting skills, but rather to point out that this isn't necessarily our fight to fight, it is mainly in the future. Thus the reference to children.
Wow, I’m conflicted on how to rate your post. It started out as a ‘winner’ and then you went into ‘disagree’ in your final paragraphs.(for me) I’m with you about abortion. I also understand that you want to connect Desantis to your beliefs and that he might lead policy in a undesirable way for you. But I think you’re a great poster who seems to bring much more positive than negative to the board. It made me think more about why you disagree with conservatives.
All the time Dems have been election deniers? They complained about the 2000 election and they complained about the 2016 election. There were even a small number of Dems who voted not to certify both of those elections. On the other hand the party's candidates have never refused to accept the results of the election unlike Trump. And while there was token Democratic symbolic opposition to certifying the elections of 2000 and 2016, a significant percentage of Republicans voted not to do so in, the Republican candidate has refused to accept his defeat and a large number of Republicans running in the 2022 midterms are supporting the defeated/deranged former president's narrative. The 147 Republicans Who Voted to Overturn Election Results (Published 2021) A majority of GOP nominees deny or question the 2020 election results By the way, getting back to the subject of this thread. Every legislative proposal from Republican majority state legislatures post Dobbs would effectively outlaw almost all abortions. Not a single Republican proposal represents a compromise permitting even early elective first trimester abortions (before the 12th week).
I find you to be one of the more interesting people to exchange thoughts with. I am about to give you a lecture now that I know you will not absorb but here it goes anyway. First let me give you a bit of advice if you are really looking for a fair exchange of ideas. Don't apologize for insulting someone and then call them naive in your very next sentence and then double down with insults the rest of the text. I would prefer you don't apologize at all unless your apology was tongue and cheek and not really meant. In that case I will give you a tongue and cheek answer and say apology accepted. The problem I have with people that think like you is that you are so convinced your ideas are the right ideas and if someone has a different perspective, they are obviously wrong so they must not be as smart as you and must be verbally lambasted and taken down and put in their place. Can't you see how that approach isn't working. Trust me I too know my position is more accurate than yours.....so what. It doesn't do me any good to tell you that because it puts you on the defensive and turns the conversation into what our conversation has turned into. I also think you are fairly naive and uneducated on subjects you claim to know so much about. However, having 2 people who think they a 100% right and the other person is 100% wrong does not leave any space for constructive exchange. I hate it when I get into a nasty exchange with someone but I find I am not usually the one that starts throwing out insults. My opinion and just my opinion (doesn't make it right and doesn't make it wrong) is that people from your side of the aisle spend more time insulting and criticizing people from my side than listening to what they have to say and trying to understand their point of view. You don't like it when you are insulted but have no problem insulting others. It is a truism that people that claim you have defects are covering for the very same defects they have themselves. I have stayed away from this forum for quite awhile because I realized it was no use to speak common sense and I am too old to just exchange insults with people. You think you are smarter than me and I think I am smarter than you...ok where does that get us. You come along like a wolf in sheep's clothing. You offer some salient perspective but it had to come with a certain amount of insult and name calling. Why do you need to do that. Why not just express your opinion and let your words explain your position on their own merit. You do realize it is just your opinion and not gospel. Does it somehow make you feel better about yourself that your opinion is better because after all you are smarter. I guarantee you do not want to exchange resume's with me. I have spent my life fighting for our country in an unpopular war, getting my degree from UF, traveling around the world (thus my moniker exposed) and opening up successful international businesses employing hundreds of people so calling me naive is really somewhat naive of you. Are you so brainwashed by your leaders approach to just insult the people that you disagree with that you think that every exchange needs at least some sort of insult and name calling in order to make a point. I know you don't care but the more you have posted the less respect I have had for you. Too bad because I had a decent amount of respect for you after your first post. It continually went downhill from there. I know you don't care if I respect you or not but guess what I don't care how you feel about me either so in the future save your personal attacks and I will no longer attack you back. In summation I do hope that in the future we can have a civil conversation and stick to our own talking points and leave the personal stuff out of it.
I have one name for you Stacy Abrams. Still waiting for her concession. Just because you think dems have denied elections in a classier manner doesn't change the narrative. Both sides have denied election results and democracy has not been destroyed over it. Why should you care so much whether Trump conceded or not, nothing changed and Biden was sworn in on the exact date his inauguration was scheduled for. Again democracy was not in jeopardy at any time. It's ok to be upset that Trump denied the election but just accept that narrative works both ways. After all he was just following the Democrats lead whose party denies every election they lose....I know they do it in a nicer way.
If charity could fill the need, that would be great, but the reality is that it can’t, just like it can’t with every other ill of society. I’d rather deal with reality.
While Stacey Abrams never formally conceded she did come much closer to admitting that she lost the election than Trump ever has. Stacey Abrams’ concession speech is a powerful critique of US civil rights And note she actually described specific flaws in the electoral process that tended to burden minority voters in the Georgia's 2018 gubernatorial election unlike Trump's truly baseless claims of massive voter fraud in the 2020 presidential election. Also seems that you're following the playbook. Republicans are trying to pin the ‘Big Lie’ on Stacey Abrams
As long as a man's only agency in child rearing is blowing his wad at the beginning of it all, any man who submits to it is an idiot. Bring on the sex bots.
Oh so coming much closer means she is off the hook for denying her election loss. If only Trump would have come closer to admitting defeat you would have been ok with it. You just keep missing the greater point. Again your position is that Trump's denial is worse so that must be addressed while poor Stacy had real legitimate reasons. I would argue Trump had real legitimate reasons as well because of all the voting laws that were changed due to Covid. Can we not come to a concensus that both parties deny election results before we get into which party does it better. You can also stop sending biased articles to prove your point. I get the main stream media agrees with you.
Well, I have a best friend who is a proud conservative Christian who agrees with every word I typed. Is it conservatives I disagree with? I honestly don't know who the "conservatives" are anymore. Edited to add: the last paragraph pretty much states that it is an emotional choice to be pro birth. There isn't enough extra thought put into it, imho, to take care of those children you force into this world. A world unfortunately ill prepared to take care of them. Thank you Bluke, I appreciate the response.
What I think is irrelevant. Not my body. Not my choice. And abortion is necessary, especially in cases to save the mother's life. Other cases? Not so black and white as you want it to be. Each decision is personal. Each case different. The 14 year old rape victim, for example, may be perfectly physically capable to carry to term. But what about emotionally or psychologically? Then there's the pragmatic evidence you so conveniently ignore. If that 14 year old has a family with means, they simply travel to a place where abortion is safe and legal. Of she is dirt poor, the risk of suicide significantly increases, like we see in El Salvador. In the middle, and she gets a local, back-alley abortion, with greater risk of reproductive health complications because her abortion was illegal and unsafe. In the end, no baby saved. What's worse, is police resources will be used to try and catch these back-alley clinics, and will arrest not only practicioners, but the women as well. And about half these women will have children living at home with them. Making these women felons breaks up families. You are vitue signaling. You truly believe you're doing the right thing, but all evidence points to your position making things much worse. And I didn't even talk about women who now can't get needed prescriptions filled because of abortion laws.
There's a huge difference between symbolically refusing to concede an election for the governorship of a state and perpetuating an absurdly false narrative that the presidential election was stolen especially to the point of encouraging a violent attack of the Capitol with the intent of preventing the Vice President and Congress with performing their duties of certifying the election. If you think Trump had a legitimate claim provide examples of the massive voter fraud that he claims took place. Ironically, if Pennsylvania, Arizona and Wisconsin, three states that were forced to delay counting mail-in votes to create the illusion of possible irregularities had counted those votes the same way that Florida does, i.e. as the mail-in ballots arrive, the results of the election would have been determined within hours after the polls closed, not days later.
No one has said that government should not be part of the solution either. But spare me the insinuation I this the only answer.
No. I am standing against evil. In fact what you acknowledge is evil. One day you will also hope stand against what you acknowledge is evil instead of making excuses for it.
So I guess when Hillary continues to say the election was stolen from her that's ok but if Trump says it...it's not. You won't even concede the point that both sides are election deniers. How can we move onto the facts of those denials when you won't even admit to the fact both sides deny elections. Why did all those states you speak of especially Pennsylvania, where Trump was ahead by hundreds of thousands of votes before all the observers where kicked out for the night and then suddenly Biden was ahead the next morning, need to handle it that way? Maybe its because so many laws about mail in voting were changed because of Covid that it had to be done that way. OK , I accept that but why would you have a problem with a candidate that questions that unprecedented way of counting the vote. I wonder how Biden would have handled that situation if it was reversed. Come on Man!!!!!
You need to also look at the consequences of your actions. If your "stand against evil" doesn't actually accomplish your stated goals, and actually leads to worse outcomes for many women, just how much good are you doing? Hence the phrase necessary evil. It's bad, but the alternatives are much worse.
