I was not going to offer my opinion anymore but you compel me to do so. I started this post with one thing in mind. To see if we could have a civil discussion about an issue that divides us the most. In some cases it was possible and in some cases it wasn't. Just because my personal stance on abortion might be different than other republicans doesn't make me right and them wrong. Please make your own argument without stating my position which I am very capable of doing myself. Your post reminds me of the Jan. 6 committee. Pelosi assigns all Democrats and then has the audacity to blackball and dismiss all republicans with a dissenting opinion and then brings on 2 RHINO's that voted to impeach Trump and calls it a bipartisan committee. That committee was flawed from the very beginning and quite frankly nothing that comes from it proves anything to me. My point is don't use my words to discredit someone else. Speak for yourself and own your own position. Just because I am a Republican doesn't mean I agree with every other Republican. I certainly have disdain for the far right extremists and I am not afraid to say so. I have yet to hear a Democrat speak down about the extreme left wing of their party. How it pertains to this post is that their are some extreme left wing liberals that want to make infanticide legal even up until birth and not one Democratic poster today stood up to say that is wrong and I do not support that. As long as we allow the extreme members of our parties to have the loudest voice in the room we are doomed as a society.
I think that is sort of a silly argument. Obviously someone who commits a crime against anyone loses a certain amount of rights other law abiding citizens should be able to maintain. Anyone that has sex with an 11 year old is committing rape even a 12 year old. Incest is another topic that was brought up that goes hand and hand in my opinion with rape. A one night stand is different. As long as it was consensual sex than yes he should have a voice. You are bringing up extreme instances that are such a small percentage of overall abortions that while they have a place in the discussion should not carry the day.
It is probably true that many republicans would be ok with a 15 week abortion ban. But that is not the position most republican politicians are taking. They are gravitating more to complete bans or “heartbeat” bills at 6 weeks. Personally I wouldn’t have a big issue of 15 weeks, as long as there were reasonable exceptions for rape, incest, health of mother or severe potential health issues of fetus. I’d prefer to leave it at viability, but much of Europe has something around a 15 week timeframe, although they are very liberal with exceptions. While I’m sure there are some Dems that support abortions all the way until the end, I suspect that is a small fraction. I think most Dems think the decision should be between the family and the health care provider. The number of later term abortions are comparatively small, and in most cases they come about due to health issues of mother or the fetus. I don’t think you are going to find a lot of post viability abortions being done for nothing but convenience.
Each party is flawed. There are issues on the republican side that I don't always agree with. I am not a Lemming willing to walk off the cliff because a republican says to. I am a republican because the majority of the positions the republicans stand for I agree with. If I agreed with most of the democratic positions I would be a democrat but I would still speak out against the things I don't agree with. It just seems that the biggest voice in the democratic party right now is the extreme left and I scratch my head as to why they are allowed to have so much say. I was watching the Ohio Senate Debate the other day and I found it interesting that Tim Ryan was trying to distance himself from some of Biden's unpopular positions. The problem is that he came off as a hypocrite because you know how many times he voted for Biden's policies...100%. Can't say you are a free thinker but have a record that shows otherwise.
You talking about Mark Kelly? Not sure who Ryan is. But his voting is 94% party line, not 100%. And extremists also seem to have a hold of the Republicans too. The Republicans had no stated platform in 2020. It was whatever Trump stated. And despite counts, recounts, and audits that have offered zero proof, more than half of Republicans believe the 2020 election was stolen. As far as abortion is involved, there's a pragmatic reality that too many people often ignore. Making abortion, or anything illegal that still has a high demand only creates a black market for supply. In regards to abortion, this means an increase in women's health outcomes, as abortion rates stay the same, but become less safe. This means more dead women, more infertile women, while few, if any babies are saved. If the goal is saving lives, then making abortion illegal isn't effective.
Sorry I meant the Ohio debate. Ryan is the democratic Senate candidate who voted 100% of the time with the Biden agenda. I have no problem with him voting that way just don't stand up in front of the people and say there are many Biden policies I disagree with, now that they are unpopular, when you haven't voted against one. As far as the election results are concerned, questioning an election is not just a republican thing. Ask Hillary Clinton who won the 2016 election ask Stacy Abrams who won the Georgia Gubernatorial race. Ask Al Gore when Bush won. How come its ok for Dems to question an election but not republicans. I would also suggest there was more opportunity for hanky Panky in the 2020 election than any other election we have ever had due to the amount of absentee ballots distributed because of Covid. I am not saying the election was rigged what I am saying is that it was certainly reasonable to question the results. I also laugh when dems say Biden won by several million votes so what's there to talk about. The fact is he won by around 25 thousand votes. Trump lost the 3 Battleground states by a combined 45k votes. Had 23k of those votes gone the other way Trump would be the President. It's fantasy to think Biden won in a mandate. Of course this is all water under the bridge now and its time to turn our attention on how the Biden Presidency is going. I would suggest not so well. Lastly the republicans have released their upcoming agenda for America. You should read it. I think you make some good points about abortion but there must be some laws passed to try and control it. I hope that no matter how you feel about it you can also see the tragedy in it. Don't kid yourself there are plenty of women that have abortions and suffer from extreme guilt afterwards. No matter how you feel about the subject lives are being lost and we have a responsibility to try and fix that. Thanks for participating in the discussion its one that needs to be had.
It absolutely will help protect the most innocent. Abortion is not about women’s healthcare as much as you want it to be. The procedure is is only about killing the life inside a woman’s body. I am not concerned about enticing people to invade their body to kill another life for convenience. As you showed earlier. That is the reason the vast majority of the time. It is a procedure that is only necessary for the convenience of killing a life the vast vast majority of the time. It will still be safe for those in the unimaginable position of having to make life decisions for the mother and or child.
Unfortunately, a lot of Pubs also work against contraception and knowledge about contraception being widely available. Colorado had a great program that reduced abortions by providing easy access to contraception. The Colorado GOP got it shut down, and abortions increased in their state because of their actions. There are things that we know reduce abortions. Making abortion illegal isn't one of them.
Or states that really do have laws on the books that don't support exceptions? We keep on finding out about more and more rape victims from Ohio having to travel out of state to get abortions. Maybe there really aren't any politicians in Ohio that don't support these exceptions, maybe they were just playing abortion chicken until the law actually got passed?
Abortion can be wrong because it wrongly terminates a human life = pro freely available contraception Abortion can be wrong because an unplanned pregnancy is a punishment for a promiscuous female = anti-contraception
The urtext, especially appropriate in Halloween movie season. The girl who has sex always gets killed first, and only the virgin survives. This stuff is deep in our lizard brain whether we acknowledge it or not.
No-exception laws, once too harsh even for anti-abortion Republicans, gain traction across US Here is a politician that supported exceptions for the mothers life/rape/incest and is no longer a party of the Republican party. Arkansas passed a bill without the exceptions. Henderson tried to amend it to include the exceptions and it was so poorly received he never even tried to get his peers to vote on it.
What part of my statement do you think I don't understand. Its these kinds of posts that turn the conversation ugly.
