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Planned Parenthood promotion of puberty blockers

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by Orange_and_Bluke, Oct 11, 2022.

  1. okeechobee

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    Can you cite where 99%+ of psychiatrists are on record as supporting puberty blockers?
     
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  2. AzCatFan

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    You can always find a few outliers, but most licensed medical professionals adhere to the recommendations and findings of peer reviewed studies. Like this one, published in the American Academy of Pediatrics.

    Among transgender adults in the United States who have wanted pubertal suppression, access to this treatment is associated with lower odds of lifetime suicidal ideation. This study strengthens recommendations by the Endocrine Society and WPATH for this treatment to be made available for transgender adolescents who want it.
    Or this statement from the American Psychological Association, and their response to Florida's "Don't Say Gay" bill:

    APA’s Division 54 (Society of Pediatric Psychology) also made known their support of access to gender-affirming care. “The proposed bills do not align with international standards of care, research, or clinical expertise. Thus, we strongly oppose these bills and call upon lawmakers to introduce legislation to promote the health, well-being, and safety of transgender and gender-diverse youth,” the society wrote.

    Then there's this study from Yale, in response to other state laws against gender affirming care.

    The AG Opinion exhibits a poor understanding of medicine and consistently misstates medical protocols and scientific evidence. Contrary to the AG Opinion’s statements, gender-affirming drug therapy (including puberty blockers and hormonal treatments) is safe and effective and has been approved by the major medical authorities.

    Gender affirming care and puberty blockers are considered proper care by all major medical organizations. Any doctor that doesn't oppose the use of puberty blockers are assumed to agree with these major medical authorities. And number that do oppose represent an extremely small minority.
     
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  3. FutureGatorMom

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    That's a more likely scenario.
     
  4. FutureGatorMom

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    Oh NO! LINKS?? Do I HAVE TO read them??!

    Facts, facts, facts, who cares about those pesky facts?
     
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  5. okeechobee

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    I don't see anything here that substantiates the idea that "99%+" of psychiatrists are on record as supporting puberty blockers. I do see a ginormous leap that psychiatrists who don't openly oppose the use of puberty blockers "are assumed to agree" with their usage. Must be nice to play fill in the blank with psychiatrists and their beliefs. Your post is egregiously dishonest.
     
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  6. okeechobee

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    Yeah, his links don't support what he claimed at all and his post was very misleading.
     
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  7. FutureGatorMom

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    I don't think it affirms the 99% of psychiatrists, but it does lay credence to the fact that some of the most well educated support his post. You asked for a link to support the 99%. I get your response, but his response is compelling.
     
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  8. okeechobee

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    So, he lied. Next...
     
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  9. mdgator05

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    Psychiatrists are not the same thing as psychologists. Do you go into medical facilities and tell other medical doctors how to do their jobs?
     
  10. AzCatFan

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    All major medical organizations support gender affirming care, including puberty blockers. Almost all doctors adhere to what is prescribed by said major medical organizations, especially when recommendations are backed by multiple peer reviewed articles. Generally, you can assume a doctor agrees with the major medical organizations unless they otherwise state so.

    Do you have links to licensed professionals and/or major medical associations that think gender affirming care and puberty blockers is bad?
     
  11. okeechobee

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    You made up a stat.
     
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  12. AzCatFan

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    A stat backed up by the fact every major medical organization supports gender affirming care with puberty blockers. If I said 99% of oncologists support chemotherapy for certain types of cancer, and posted studies from major publications supporting this position, would you question it? I'm sure I could find a doctor or two that opposes, but major medical organizations don't all take the same position if almost all medical professionals don't agree with said course of treatment.
     
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  13. okeechobee

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    You said "99%+". That was a made up stat and you know it. You'd be hard-pressed to find agreement among 99%+ of psychiatrists on almost any treatment for adult or child. Many will tell you certain medications are fine, while others simply won't prescribe them. You can't assume what 99%+ of psychiatrists would do just because I can't pull up an article on the internet where they've opined that they wouldn't. That's an incredibly dishonest take and an insult to the psychiatry field, frankly.
     
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  14. AzCatFan

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    Here are the APA standard guidelines. The APA has over 133,000 members, and almost all psychiatrists follow their recommendations. Why? Because their recommendations are backed up by years of research and peer reviewed articles. The ones that don't follow the guidelines are the outliers.

    Yes, I made up the 99% number. But when there is a published standard of care, that all major medical organizations prescribe to, the number is accurate. Again, you wouldn't deny oncologists if all major medical organizations had a set standard of care. Why do you suggest other medical specializations are different?
     
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  15. gatordavisl

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    Same here - it's weird, but I like the dude.
     
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  16. WarDamnGator

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    Yeah, that was a big part of the John Stewart show I mentioned earlier ... he sat down with the Attorney General of Arkansas, where this was made illegal, and cited the AMA, psychological associations, the endocrine society, etc, peer reviewed studies on gender dysphoria, and their best practices on how to treat minors. She was just like, "we have other medical opinions" but couldn't name any group that agreed with the law. These were guidelines, by medical professionals, were intended to protect children. She just kept saying "get a second opinion" if a doctor says a kid would benefit from puberty blockers. Of course, a parent in Arkansas can get as many 2nd, or 3rd, or 4th opinions as they want, and it would still be illegal.
     
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    i would imagine that many psychiatrists may support Gender affirming care, in some form, and in some cases, but at the same time I think many realize there is a high overlap between young people thinking they are trans and having other sort of mental illnesses and identifying as trans can sometimes be something they lock onto to explain their differences.
     
  18. AzCatFan

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    If you actually read the guidelines, gender affirming care and puberty blockers are only after years of counseling. And years of a child presenting himself or herself as the opposite gender. During the years of therapy before gender blockers are prescribed, the therapist will attempt to see if the dysphoria is real? Or if it's just smokescreen hiding something else. No mental health professional will prescribe puberty blockers without years of prior therapy; as long as they are following the guidelines.
     
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  19. Orange_and_Bluke

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  20. g8trjax

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    Damn, is this the future of woke leftie rule? Scary shit.