An honest conversation about Abortion

My wife would feel the exact same way about your previous comment…

Heartbroken!!!

And the continued justification.

 

What are you here for? To play referee or audition for moderator? If my posts are tiresome and predictable, there's any number of solutions for you.

 

Some days your posts are funny and informative.

 

You and your wife have every reason to feel the way you do. But why should your feelings dictate the actions of other people when said actions have no effect on your life one way or another?

Want justification to keep abortion safe and legal? How about avoid the septic wards that existed mostly because of illegal abortion attempts pre Roe.

Outlawing something that still has significant demand has no effect. See Prohibition, the war on drugs. or read about the septic wards pre-Roe.

As for the individual women who choose to abort? That's their own, personal decision. Judge away, if you wish. But I attempt to walk a mile in another's shoes before I make final judgement. In the case of being pregnant, I find that impossible. Said pregnancy being unwanted? Even more difficult.

 

My position is abortion should be legal and funded by the government in the form of universal healthcare, and that 'late term abortions' aren't a thing, especially a thing that anyone has for "convenience." My other position is that I am a man, and probably shouldnt be the one making abortion policy for women. Also weird how you dropped the thing about being in the conversation and expanding rights. I guess we wont find out what you meant. Sure seems like you want to restrict rights not expand them.

 

Also, I have to ask why were you against the Roe status quo when this is basically what it had established? You also said it was good to make it a state issue and now say you support guaranteed access for 15 weeks? How does that work without federal intervention of some kind whether the courts or law?

 

An innocent life was killed.

No excuse when for convenience.

 

And was likely going to die regardless of the law. Again, making something illegal doesn't prevent supply from meeting demand. If it did, Prohibition and the war on drugs would be effective.

There are also countries where abortion is illegal where young women take two lives, because abortion is unavailable. In El Salvador, suicide represents 57% of deaths in young girls age 10-19, and ranks as the 4th leading cause of death in women 20-49 years old. A good number of these women were pregnant.

We would do much better focusing on comprehensive sex education that lowers the number of unwanted pregnancies, which subsequently lowers abortion rates. Outlawing abortion doesn't save anyone, but likely costs more lives with higher suicide rates. And more future lives, as illegal abortions aren't as safe as legal ones, leaving more women incapable of having kids later on in life.

 

It's certainly "interesting" that you have people claiming abortion is "infanticide" and "kill[ing] a baby" while simultaneously saying it's okay for abortion to be legal up until 15 weeks and in cases of rape and incest. Of course, it's impossible to square that stance, but I'm used to that from the forced-birth crowd.

 

I have no issues with sex education.

Contraceptives are cheap.

We need to stop with the excuses to kill the most innocent for convenience.

 

First example was 2nd trimester. Other two were first trimester abortions, as far as I know. As for laws, they need to be easy to follow. Too many gray areas, and all you have are court case after court case and confusion, as the law changes with each judicial decision.

And agree there is room for compromise. 15 weeks except in cases of health concerns, as long as there is also government funding for abortions. Similar to laws across most of Europe. Have a law like this, and it would cover about 99% of all abortions that already occur in this country, as 93% are 1st trimester, about 2% are for health concerns, and the #1 reason, by far, a woman waits to abort is financial.

 

Perfect. Sounds like we agree that before viability, it's not murder. Let's draw the line at viability, yes?

 

This has been an internal conflict for me for years. It is a conflict I rarely share with anyone because the topic is so heated. The keyboard gives me a bit of anonymity.

-On the one hand I believe with every fiber of my being that ending a pregnancy is dead wrong. Hearing that heartbeat the first time is a joy like no other.
-On the other hand I don't believe government should make choices regarding people's physical health. That is between a person and their doctor only.

This makes me a bad Republican AND a bad Democrat.

Similar conflicts also exist within in me. Perhaps for another thread.

 

I don't think most Democrats think you're a bad person just because you think abortion is wrong. If you think the government should stay out of it and leave the choice to the woman and her doctors, I'd say you have the right take. You're entitled to your personal views on abortion.

If we agree that viability is the appropriate line, further discussion seems unnecessary. Why spoil a good thing?