An honest conversation about Abortion

The difference? Even if just 1 in 7 people can nurture a newborn, that's literally 1 billion people on the planet who can take care of someone after first breath. But before in utero viability? That number is 1--the mother. If someone who has just given birth wants to responsibility for taking care of the newborn, they can legally give up any and all rights; and there are plenty of adults who can take care of the baby. But rewind 6 months, and same woman at the end of the first trimester, and nobody on the planet but her has the ability to nurture the fetus to the next stage of life.

 

It needs to be a loaded term when we are discussing the legal killing of the most innocent.

At the end of the day it is calling a spade a spade. The reason for killing the most innocent among us via abortion is for convenience. It is right around 99% of the time...

 

What an awful justification to kill ones own child. Sorry. But this might be the most heartbreaking post I have ever read on too hot.

 

All arguments for abortion are after the fact rationalizations and hard cases.

 

Travelinggator, you may enjoy interacting with wgb…some folks like the way it feels when banging a hammer on their fingers too.
He just wants to debate. I’m afraid you can’t get an honest word from his keyboard. I think he read a thousand too many books or something.

 

Any state with the death penalty apparently.

 

So once you eliminate the father from the picture without his consent, how do you magically make him responsible for anything that happens after that? You can't. There is now an unspoken understanding now that the father's role in a child's life beyond the five minutes he spent delivering half of the blueprint is never his choice, but whatever the mother wants it to be. If he's lucky, the mother respects the role of fatherhood beyond writing the checks and paying the bills. But it's her choice. Forever.

 

I assume you're a male. Have never faced the prospect of an unwanted pregnancy. Neither have I. I try to have empathy, but find it impossible to put myself in the shoes of a woman with an unwanted pregnancy. But I can imagine, if I was said woman, I know I wouldn't want the state or church involved in any of my personal decisions.

I have known three women admit to having an abortion. One was 2nd semester, ectopic pregnancy here in Arizona. If the state's territorial law or 15 week ban law as written goes into effect, someone facing the same issue would be denied abortion, and the mother's life would be at risk. And the fetus won't live regardless.

The other two were younger, with situations much more complicated. One was finalizing a divorce, was offered a once-in-a-lifetime work opportunity overseas for a 2-year commitment, and got pregnant with a fling that ghosted her the minute she said she was pregnant. The other was a college student that had a very difficult home life and mistook physical intimacy with love, and ended up pregnant and not knowing who the father was. Made her own decision, and later found true love, got married, and has two great kids today.

I don't know what I would have done if it were me in the shoes of the latter two women, or if the woman in the first case is denied healthcare because of what the state law is. But I know it's extremely complicated decision, and unless any woman wants to include me in their discussion and decision, it's none of my business. Nor is it your business. You have a right to deride these women and their decisions, but their life is not yours to dictate. Nor should it be the government's or any church's.

 

What conversation exactly? You are free to express yourself at any point during a pregnancy, there is no gag order on what you think. I would hope you have the kind of relationship where you and your partner are on the same page. But if the woman you knocked up doesn't want to talk to you or value your opinion on the matter, or ignores it, you think the government should make her respect it? You should be specific about what 'rights' you think should be expanded. Because to me it sounds like you are tiptoeing around saying you think you should have some kind of veto power and be able to force a birth if you want the child. Because what else could you mean?

 

How would I know what you mean when you cant even explain what you want? You just keep going on about "being in the conversation" or expanding "rights" without specifics. How can I compromise if you cant even say what you want? You are talking in pleasant sounding buzzwords, because I think if you laid out what you actually want, its pretty unreasonable and extreme and that would ruin your whole faux reasonable thing.

 

You can't know if these stories are the exceptions or the norms. Every woman getting an abortion has her own story to tell.

And if you want laws to stand for the betterment of society, then abortion should be legal. Simply put, outlawing abortion doesn't stop abortion. But what outlawing it does do is lower women's physical health outcomes. Pre Roe, large hospitals in every major city had a full septic ward to deal with women with pregnancy complications. Most of these women had complications because of botched, illegal abortion attempts. Many women were left incapable of ever being pregnant again.

 

The nerve of people wanting to debate on a debate forum! That begs the question of why you are here ... to post gifs and drive by post about other posters? If you need attention just say so. There might be better ways to get it though.

 

That’s all most Dems want. Put your broad brush away.

 

Problem is you’re here to play professor. I don’t think you’re here to learn and listen. Most days…It’s tiresome and predictable.
Honestly, I have no idea what you stand for.