Even more off topic it always seemed really strange to me when people thank Jesus for the food they are about to eat. Cause that means Jesus decided not to provide food to the starving folks I guess.
I think it’s just an expression for a culture that likes to show gratefulness for something to eat. But yeah, literally it might not make as much sense.
Religion and Jesus arent the same. Religion is the silly rituals that men create. Jesus said TRUE religion is looking after the orphan in distress. The religion Jesus espoused IS the solution, sadly many of His followers... myself included... get caught up in things that have little to do with HIS definition.
You forgot one. The real one. He indeed loves everyone... But would be much more of a moderate than either of your two perspectives would like.
Can't be proven either way, which is why people believe whatever they want to believe, then retrofit "Jesus" to be someone who always agrees with them.
Interestingly, "saying grace" ad many call it, isnt really scriptural. Jesus told us to remember Him and His sacrifice when we eat. This evolved into communion, but was actually just His prayer before a meal. He told us to remember Him whenever we eat or drink. The Lords prayer does vaguely mention a request for daily bread, but not a thanks. We are told to be thankful for "everything" that would be wins and losses. I think our prayer over a meal should be more of a reminder and commitment to help those who are less fortunate. More like: "Thank you for your sacrifice, We are thankful for this food, but let it drive us to give others the same thing to be thankful for."
Pretty much what I am saying. So I chose to just use the words attributed to Him in the scriptures and nothing more.
I have to wonder how much of this is "hold over" (not really the right phrase, but it'll do) from Judaism and the traditional blessing over the bread. Much of Catholicism/Christianity is based in Judaism.
Probably. Although the Hamotzi is really thanking God for the concept of bread, not for him giving them bread specifically. "Blessed are you, Lord our God, ruler of the universe who brings forth bread from the earth." I don't know if other non-Abrahamic religions pray over food.
I thought Islam had something similar as well. As a MOT I agree with your assessment on the Hamotzi. I was just hypothesizing that one derived from the other is all
The traditional Catholic prayer, which I'm sure every Catholic on this thread will start reciting in their head when they read this is. Bless us oh Lord and these thy gifts which we are about to receive from thy bounty through Christ our Lord. Make of it what you will. When Stars Wars first came out, every time one of the characters told someone "May the Force be with you", you could usually hear in the theater some Catholic subconsciously replying "And also with you". Now "with your Spirit". Still awkward, so not as awkward as entering under my roof.
Well an interesting thing about this rebrand is that it seems to emphasize that very thing. (Hopefully)
