Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

Reading through some of that review it’s pretty embarrassing supposed medical professionals would publish something so shoddy.

 

Even if you took the data as an accurate representation of actual events, which you can’t do because of reasons stated above - there were 20 deaths in the 18-39 group, compared to presumably something around 18 deaths, give or take, for a comparable time period in the “baseline”. So maybe two to five “excess” deaths, out of a total vaccinated population in that age group of roughly 6 million - so let’s call it 1 excess death per 2 million. (Edit- 1 in a million isolating to males)

Also, as stated, they excluded Covid deaths, so it is entirely possible/probable that more than 1 person died (excess over vaccinated) per 1 million unvaccinated people with actual Covid.

The only way this would have any validity, assuming all the other criticisms were not valid, is those who were not vaccinated went into a state of permanent isolation in order to completely avoid Covid.

P.s. - approximately 1800 people in that age group in FL have died of Covid since inception, and numerous studies have shown the vaccines reduce risk of Covid death by 80-95%, so 2-5 vaccine caused cardiac deaths is pretty small compared to 1800 (and it would be much higher than 1800 without the vaccine)

http://ww11.doh.state.fl.us/comm/_p..._archive/covid19-data/covid19_data_latest.pdf

PS 2: my back of the envelope 1 per 2 million above may be understated by a factor of 2 as I didn’t break out between male/female-so maybe we would be looking at 1 excess death per million males in that age group, again excess as compared to living on a island by yourself.

 

Covid deaths just updated: 0

 

This one was updated after Ladapo tried to defend their bad statistics and study design. The rebuttals to his attempts are worth reading as well.

 

“Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, one by one.”

― Charles MacKay, Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds

 

Cmon AzCat. You've been singing this for two plus years. And I was fine with a certain amount of it for a short period, but a person with skin cancer risks doesnt ask the rest of us to shade the sun.

They stay out of it.

So if the vulnerable are going to be locked down regardless, more could have been done to allow the not so vulnerable to adapt and live.

I hope thats what we have learned.

 

Hate to say it, but as long as belief in cough and kill grandma persists, restrictions on movement can and likely will be rationalized.

That’s why I continue to harp on the fraud that is germ theory.

 

Skin cancer isn't a communicable disease. COVID is an virus that is transmitted through airborne particles. You can be in a room full of cancer patients, all kinds, and your risk of getting cancer from them is 0%. Because that's not how cancer transmits. In a room with just one person COVID positive, and your risk of getting COVID increases.

With an airborne virus, it becomes a game of degrees of separation. And just how many degrees of separation is anyone from a person who is at serious risk of COVID complications? With 54 million people over 65 in the US, and 37 million with diabetes, that's likely 1/4 of the population when you remove overlap of seniors with diabetes. Now, add in the millions who work with seniors or someone with diabetes. Or live with someone in this group. And unless a person is a hermit with limited human contact, we're likely talking no more than 2 or 3 degrees of separation at most, before anyone comes in contact with an at-risk person.

So, how do you lock down the vulnerable, and allow the not-so vulnerable to adapt and live when there is so much interaction between the groups? As someone who has had asthma his entire life, and diagnosed with diabetes later in life, what does my spouse and children do if they aren't locked down with me? Or, do they go about their lives, as healthy people, and we just avoid each other?

 

^ see ?

 

It is time to accept this was overplayed. It was a bad disease. You are doing yourself no favors by continuing to live in fear of it. Go to the beach. Go to the mountains. Enjoy life!

By the way...the vast majority of people who have diabetes… have type 2 diabetes. Which can be treated with lifestyle adjustments/commitment. I really wish you would take all of the fear you have for Covid and focus that energy on the commitment to lifestyle adjustments that will better everyone's health!

 

What the heck kind of link/source is that Rick?

2nd Smartest Guy in the World

That site is downright scary one man show conspiracy looniness.

 

Unfortunately, the media devoted interminable months finding those ‘young, healthy’ people who were struck down by Covid.*

People are mentally broken.

 

Now this link seems more credible. But you may want to redact the part where they also credit mask wearing.

 

What’s 40 X 0 ?

 

. You can’t stick to a subject. I have no interest in repeating the science for any of the topics for which you proclaim expertise. Suffice to say, for a highly contagious and very serious illness, the science deniers who ruined this thread as a source of information have never quantified the number of dead if we had not undertaken mitigation measures in the early stages of those disease. When there was no immunity, no vaccines, no treatments and the virus was more virulent. Bad enough over a million dead with mitigation. I don’t engage In worthless discussions, especially concerning your constant shifting of topics and given your history. So, if you want responses, thru will have to come from elsewhere. Herman Cain says hello. I hope he enjoyed the Trump rally.

 

What’s a guy like me have to do to get this killer plague ? I’ve been denying its existence, for over two years now, and I can’t even get a decent cough going.

 

Only two years? You joined Jan. 5, 2022, just in advance of the Russian invasion of a sovereign nation.

 

LOL I’ve been on and off the site since it was Swampie’s. I disavowed germ theory mid-2020.

 

Since being fully vaccinated, I've lived my life just fine. No longer reason to live in fear. Still a risk, but significantly less than before being vaccinated. And have spent several weekends in Pinetop, AZ, which is at 7000' feet above sea level in the mountain. Then the week in wine country, plus a week in Seattle, which I might regret, since my daughter is now intent on going to U of Washington. Life is good.

But rewind during lockdown, life before the vaccine, and yes, there was fear. And it wasn't overblown. COVID quickly became the third leading cause of death, and caused over 5X the deaths of the next two leading causes of death from communicable diseases, the flu and pneumonia. Had I contracted COVID during the early months, before the vaccine, I was at high risk of complications. So were millions more of Americans. The fear, back then, was understandable.

Who is advocating for remaining in lockdown today? Nobody. The risk isn't gone, but get vaccinated, and the risk is significantly reduced. And if you are reluctant to get vaccinated, get COVID, and have serious complications, then you have nobody to blame but yourself at this point. The flu and pneumonia are risks too, but with vaccination, the risk of serious complications from COVID are about the same, which is acceptable.

Again, I'll use the seatbelt analogy. There's always risk in driving or riding in a car, and a seatbelt is no guarantee you'll survive. But the odds are much better when you buckle up. And the benefits of driving are great. So buckle up and get vaccinated.

 

Seatbelt analogy doesn’t hold. Since viruses don’t exist, vaccines are like seatbelts, that can injure and kill, in a world in which car crashes are non-existent.