well, well, a democratic lead city is bussing out more migrants than gov. abbott

Just taking your points to their logical conclusions, using history as a guideline for what happens when you have zero safety net for the poor and downtrodden.

 

Did I say "zero" safety net?

 

Ask Trump. He did it very successfully. It starts by finishing the Border Wall instead of using that material to build a fortress around Nancy Pelosi's house in order to keep out the undesirables from her property. It also helps to reinstate the stay in Mexico policy. More money on border agents and deport illegals instead of letting them loose in the country. In other words reinstate every policy Trump had that Biden put an end to on day one of his Presidency.

 

Did he now? Because I remember this from late in his third year.

The 2019 migrant surge is unlike any we’ve seen before. This is why

Also, I remember Republicans and their associated media constantly freaking out about "caravans" in those days. So by what metric was the border secure?

 

Plenty of poor people in our own country we can spend billions of dollars on. If you do not have a border you do not have a country, Just ask Ukraine. Biden has no problem giving them Billions upon Billions of Dollars to help secure their Border but will do nothing to secure our own border.

 

So we weren't a country before 1924? Because, prior to that, we pretty much just let anybody that wanted into the country come into the country. So the US has only existed as a country for less than 100 years?

 

I always thought the residents of martha's vinyard acted too hastily...

 

The headline of this CATO report says it all, "President Trump Reduced Legal Immigration. He did not Reduce Illegal Immigration."

Although Trump succeeded in cutting legal immigration more than he initially planned, he oversaw the collapse of interior immigration enforcement. In 2020, the removal of illegal immigrants from the interior of the United States was the lowest as an absolute number and as a share of the illegal immigration population since ICE was created in 2003 (Figure 3). Trump failed to increase removals because local jurisdictions refused to cooperate with his administration, continuing a trend begun during the Obama administration in response to their deportation efforts. As a result, the population of illegal immigrants remained about the same as when he took office.
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The wall, meanwhile, was a billion dollar boondoggle. Easily climbed over, tunneled under, or cut through. Not to mention, mother nature taking its toll during monsoon season on the border, leaving multiple sections of the wall in serious disrepair.



It's time to admit reality. We have had an appetite for immigrant labor for generations. And where there is demand, supply will find a way, regardless of the law. See Prohibition or the war on drugs. In the case of immigration, it would be much better to allow supply to legally meet demand with a guest worker program. We had one for years, as the Bracero Program was very successful. When that ended, the flow of immigrants didn't stop. Two decades later, 1 million undocumented immigrants were granted amnesty, and it was likely only about 50% of the undocumented population that took advantage. Today, we have over 10 million undocumented immigrants here, with 8 million plus in the workforce.

It's time to admit the billions of dollars to prevent undocumented immigration is a complete, big government waste. We would be better collecting money from these immigrants in the form of visa payments, that we could use to beef up security at ports of entry, where 90%+ of the drugs come in.

 

Please do me a favor and never use an article from a liberal media source to prove a point. Where are all those liberals now that were crying at the border when Trump was using the holding blocks that Obama built. Now there is more human trafficking than ever, more rapes, more illegal drugs coming across and more unvetted immigrants from gangs and terrorist organizations coming in than ever in our history. Open you own eyes which our so called border czar refuses to do by not even visiting the border. When is the last time a liberal visited the border to see what's going on for themselves.

 

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Enjoy living in your echo chamber. Can you please link to stories proving more human trafficking, more rapes, and more unvetted immigrants from gangs and terrorist organizations coming over than ever in our history? Unlike others, I like to read what the opposition is saying.

 

So is your claim that there wasn't a surge in migrants in 2019?

The issue is that Trump was forcibly separating families while Obama was dealing with unaccompanied minors.

Yep, big government has bad consequences. My answer is less government for this issue. I guess your plan is larger government to solve the problems of big government. But, as shown by the surge in 2019, that didn't work.

 

Another ridiculous argument. Things were very different 100 years ago and you know it. We were a young country and we were taking anyone that wanted to come to help build our country. We are no longer a young country and the world has become a much more dangerous place in terms of just letting people in. I remember a time when you didn't have to go through security to get on a plane either. That was until terrorists started blowing up planes and taking over cockpits and flying them into buildings. Dramatic events call for dramatic changes and right now dramatic things are happening to the people of this country due to our open border policy.

 

What dramatic events are happening with immigration and the border? From the looks of it, using border apprehensions as a statistic, what we are seeing today is well within historic norms. Still would like to read some links claiming crime, human trafficking, etc. are up because of current immigration trends.

 

Portions of Trump's famous border wall.



And how effective was the wall in stopping these undocumented immigrants?

 

It's hard to debate someone that won't look at the facts staring them in the eye. If you are happy with what is happening at the border there is nothing I can say that will open your eyes to what is going on. Maybe when someone you know dies from a Fentanyl overdose or encounters a criminal illegal immigrant that does them harm you will also start looking for answers. You have no problem criticizing Trump who came up with several solutions to fix this problem. He put them into effect and was seeing positive results (unfortunately Biden did away with all of them before we could see the total positive results from these policies) but you give Biden and his administration a pass even though they offer no solutions at all.

 

The world is less dangerous now than it was then. You were far more likely to die due to violence in the world back then. Sorry that doesn't fit your argument.

 

Your hyperbole is meaningless without that actual facts you are claiming. Want some facts? Undocumented immigrants commit less crime than citizens. Or how about 90% of drugs confiscated at the border come in through ports of entry, on commercial vehicles. And again, the link from the Libertarian CATO Institute that shows Trump accomplished nothing when it came to stopping, let along slowing down undocumented immigration.

Trump did solve anything. He spent billions on a border wall that has been easily climbed, dug under, or cut, when it's actually intact, and not severely damaged by storm activity. And the number of undocumented immigrants in the country and entering did not drop at all under Trump. Basically, he spent more money, made racist remarks, and accomplished nothing when it comes to undocumented immigration.

You are the one whose eyes are closed to the facts. You want Trump to have been effective at the border, because then it would prove your opinions. But you don't have the facts behind you, and all your opinion has now is hyperbole based on fiction. What's happening at the border today isn't significantly different than what's happened the last 30 years or so, as proven by the graph I posted showing border apprehensions.

Meanwhile, we have 3.5% unemployment, and 1.6 job openings for everyone on unemployment. If we could magically deport all undocumented immigrants tomorrow, that would create an additional 8 million or more job openings, and the number of jobs per unemployed would climb to over 2. How is this a positive for the country? Jobs not done means profit dying on the vine (literally in the case of many immigrants). That lost wages not circulating in the economy, and lost profits for the business owner also not circulating through the economy.

Wouldn't it be better to collect guest worker visa payments for those already working in the country, and those coming to work? Again, 8 million paying $5/week equals $2 billion a year. Money we can use to sure up our ports where the drugs are coming in, and to deport immigrants who aren't holding up their end, which is being gainfully employed and staying out of trouble.

 

I am providing facts. You are providing rhetoric. Fact: there was a surge in migrants in 2019, when you tried to claim the border was secure. That is factually true. So his solutions didn't stop migrants from surging when the conditions were right in terms of the labor market and the issues in home countries. In terms of fentanyl, thank another one of Republicans' favorite big government programs: the war on drugs. So another big government problem that is causing you to look for an even bigger government solution. Surprisingly, just increasing the size of the government doesn't address the underlying conditions which cause things to happen.