Why not do business with another baker?

If I owned a sandwich shop I would ask customers if they were going to split it with their heterosexual or homosexual partner. The questions I’d ask customers of my mattress store would be a bit more graphic.

 

So businesses displaying these signs are breaking the law?

 

Every sandwich at subway is created by an artist.

 

Displaying the sign isn’t breaking the law. Refusing service due to someone’s protected class would be. However, you can refuse service to someone in a protected class if that wasn’t the reason.

 

Get back to me when this guy bans gays or trans people from his business. Until then it's just another attempt for your intolerant side to bully people into full submission.

He isnt trying to make anyone be anything. He isnt trying to stop anyone from being anything and his business is open equally to everyone.

I'm waiting for you to defend the klan when someone wont bake them a cake.
Or a muslim when they want a "death to israel" cake

It's nonsense. Leave people the crap alone... And get back to me when he refuses service and not just things that he feels violates his free exercise.

 

Well if there was a valid religious reason then let them. But thats the difference. The scriptures praise interracial marriage. The entire book of Song of Solomon is an open love letter about just that.

No religion that I am aware of has any text even insinuating an issue.

The argument for the baker isnt that he can just decide it. Its that his religious rights are equal to the right of someone to have (perceived) content on a cake.

That argument passes no litmus test with religious texts when dealing with race.

Their are scriptures dealing with marriage and gender.

Two completely different arguments.
One, based in religious text. (Gender and marriage)
One, not even remotely.(interracial marriage)

 

He does make cakes for gay people.
Has many times.

 

Holy crap. How did I miss that the person filing the suit is an attorney and attempted to buy the cake on the exact day of the SCOTUS ruling from the first case?

And some of you think the baker is the one looking for publicity?

What a joke. I hope they courts literally laugh at this clown.

 

The person seeking to do harm is the jackass, not the person just trying to run his little family business and be left alone.

This clown lawyer is using the courts to harass this guy.

 

You say the first part like it’s true (it’s obviously not on its face, since this is literally a thread about him DENYING them his service). There was nothing apparently ornate about the cake. He just didn’t like the purpose. Sounds to me like if these were activists, they were trying to be clever by ordering a relatively plain cake, but explicitly giving him a discriminatory purpose to deny their service.

It’s not at all comparable to having to draw Nazi Memorabilia or messages. It would be comparable to a Westboro Baptist asking for a plain cake and stating for the record its for a “gays are going to hell” party. Think this guy would bake that one? Possibly. It’s similarly in a grey area, where the Westboro people could claim religious discrimination if he told them no. These are the games activists play, I just happened to see that this baker is now an activist.

 

Dude's been dragged around for 10 years and you have issue with him writing a book? He wont even make Halloween cakes. Guy turns down money all the time do to his convictions. If he was only in it for money, he would bake all those cakes.

 

Sorry Davis. Thats what this is. A lawyer walked into a cake shop mad about the SCOTUS rulling, intentionally did the very thing he knew the baker would decline. Then sued him. It was a bully move.

 

Yes, it’s pretty obvious that it wasn’t just some random customer legitimately hoping to get this cake.

 

Better said. Agree.

 

No. But your arguments are the same as the ones for that case.

 

No. It isnt. In this case, they can come to the hotel every night if the please. They can't violate the owners faith while doing it.

 

Um what? Then what exactly is the drum eat equating this to racial issues?

He is certainly being compared to a racist by a couple certain folks here.

 

1. Refusing to make a Georgia cake isnt the same as trying to make someone stop being a Georgia fan especially if I serve Georgia fans any other type of cake they want. No. He isnt trying to change them.
And he offers them service.

2. I already aknowledged that just a cake with color should probably be made, though I wont try and speak for him.

 

I have no idea why you quoted my post or what your response has to do with it. It isn’t illegal to refuse service to someone in a protected class if that isn’t the reason you refused service.

 

No, they are both jackasses. The baker was a jackass when he refused to make the cake for the gay wedding. A decent person would have no problem with it. Using religion as an excuse doesn't somehow make it ok. Religion has been used as an excuse for all sorts of awful things.