His website is peddling his book and no orders for cakes until November. Must be some divine cake. Masterpiece Cakeshop
amd when there is one hotel in town. Or one gas station for 50 miles in BFE Montana, is it still cool?
I agreed with the former parts of your post and don't disagree with this part either. I wonder, though, why are certain religious practices excluded in schools? I'm not interested in the Constitution or the Bill of Rights, etc. I'm wondering about the practical reason.
I thought the conversation was pretty civil & sober to this point. Will be interesting to see how it heats up from here.
Read the science with an open mind and then ask a reasoned question. Preferably not a simplistic nonsensical one like “where is the gay gene?”
Lol I remember people like you from law school. I’ll try not to make a discriminatory joke about pedophiles in the future. Namaste.
What is the big deal? The guy didn’t want to make the cake based on religious beliefs. Here’s a really novel concept…how about hiring another baker? Problem solved.
Has probably been pointed out, but this is fundamentally not true. Keep in mind that the basic definition of discrimination has to do with identifying differences. Musicians rely upon auditory discrimination skills when recognizing pitch and timbral differences, rhythmic values, etc. I know that you were not referring to discrimination in that sense, but discrimination regularly occurs wrt individuals based upon certain characteristics too. Discrimination occurs "against" people based upon grades, test scores, and certain skills (see athletic and and academic scholarships). Auditions involve discrimination based upon ability sets and other factors. When casting, movie makers discriminate based upon acting abilities and certain physical characteristics. Consider the modeling industry, where discrimination exists based upon body shape, complexion, etc. IOW - discrimination is not discrimination.
The butt of the joke wasn't pedophiles. The point behind your joke was quite clear. Don't try and hide when you get called out on it.
Might be a religious discrimination issue there. Thus, I think the question has to be where we draw the line on what is and isn't speech. That can be a tough line to draw.
Thanks - I think your question here points out the difficulty of this episode. I had basically the same question. Is requiring one to bake a cake for someone a matter of protection?
Aside from the free market conservative policy point that people should be entitled to generally do business with whomever the please, and abstain from doing business with whomever they please for whatever reason... These aren't exactly the same thing. One involves discrimination against Black people for being Black, the other involves a choice to not perform a piece of art or craft because the subject of that art or craft violates their beliefs, and/or because the occasion for which the cake is meant to celebrate is not one supported by the baker. It would be more akin to declining to bake a Nazi symbol into a cake for an occasion that celebrates the birth of Nazi Germany than it is to refusing to serve a German who happens to be a Nazi.
Under the law, it does not matter what religion a person belongs to, just that the religious beliefs be genuinely espoused, and that the organization, if any, be recognized by the government. If a person suffers discrimination as a result of their beliefs, then a person can assert a religious discrimination claim.
