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Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by PITBOSS, Jan 21, 2022.

  1. BLING

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    Weren’t there issues early in the invasion with Russian convoys getting “stuck in the mud” due to having crappy Chinese made tires?

    No clue how much a hard freeze is an impediment, but there would still likely be a “melt” period where the ground gets muddy in late winter/early spring, last time around this seemed highly detrimental to the invaders even as they advanced initially.

    I don’t think it will be any easier for the Russians on the 2nd go around.
     
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  2. duggers_dad

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    No, you’re thinking of when half of Russian troops were frostbitten and didn’t have the manual dexterity to change tires.
     
  3. slayerxing

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    EXPLAINER: Russia's military woes mount amid Ukraine attacks
    More Russian military failing

    Phillips P. O’Brien, professor of strategic studies at the University of St Andrews, predicted more Russian failures in Kherson, noting that it’s “hard to stabilize a line when your logistics are stretched, your troops are exhausted and your opponent is much, much smarter.”

    Pressed against the wide river and suffering severe supply shortages, Russian troops face a looming defeat that could set the stage for a potential Ukrainian push to reclaim control of the Crimean Peninsula, which Moscow annexed in 2014.

    MILITARY SHORTAGES AND COMMAND WOES

    Military reporters and bloggers embedded with Russian troops in Ukraine have painted a bleak picture of an ill-equipped and poorly organized force under incompetent command.

    https://ecfr.eu/article/no-partial-...et-the-challenge-of-russias-mobilisation/?amp

    good article on Ukraine’s advantages with training among other things.
     
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  4. PITBOSS

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    "Ukrainian police have recovered 534 bodies of civilians in territory recaptured by the Ukrainian army since early September, Serhii Bolvinov, head of the investigative department of the regional police force in Kharkiv, said at a news briefing Thursday.

    The bodies included 226 women and 19 children. Most of the civilian bodies recovered — 447 — were found in a mass burial site in Izium.

    Police have also discovered 22 locations that they suspect were used as torture chambers in areas of Kharkiv province that were recently freed from Russian control, he said. Investigators have been gathering documents and other evidence from the sites and witness testimony, including from former detainees."



    Ukrainian police have found the bodies of 534 civilians and evidence of torture | The Seattle Times
     
  5. duggers_dad

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    Zelensky almost had the Nobel Peace Prize. Then he started calling for WWIII ...

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  6. duggers_dad

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    This is Ukraine shedding crocodile tears over finding the bodies of civilians they’ve been shelling.
     
  7. okeechobee

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    Some of the rivers may freeze over in parts, but the thickness of the ice would probably not be adequate to move troops across and especially not for heavy equipment. Ukraine would have to have a pretty harsh winter by today's norms to see rivers freeze to the extent that troop brigades and heavy equipment could be moved over and even then, it's questionable. Also, I think in the former Soviet union they often have huge power stations located on the river which thaws any water for miles. I'm just relaying what I've picked up on over the years.

    In any event, harsh winter conditions will likely favor Ukrainian forces as you mentioned before... Ukrainians are fighting for their existence, while the Russian troops are largely disinterested in this conflict. Normal winters, I think the soldiers are mostly already used to and would assume they have plenty of cover to stay warm as they would in normal every day life. Still, any hardship favors Ukraine in this conflict.
     
  8. PITBOSS

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    interesting. good call on training, etc. But I'm not sure we/NATO can just keep up with demand of getting them enough ammo and armaments. I believe it becomes a logistics issue. Of just getting the assets to them. Unless we install our deliver operations which we can't do.
     
  9. exiledgator

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    Yes, when the "frost comes out of the ground", it gets very soft. The deeper the frost, the softer the thaw. I've stuck a truck in deep when the road looked normal but was as firm as a cup of soup.

    Last feb/march issues were in the north, I believe. The kiev push.
     
  10. duggers_dad

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    Ukraine particularly adept in advancing into areas where Russian troops are sparse or absent. But how smart can the Ukrainians be when they’re trading bodies for shells and launching advances they know they can’t sustain ?
     
  11. mdgator05

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    But, apparently, they do. Or else, why would they be so mad about losing all of that territory?
     
  12. Gatorhead

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    The Russian way - It never changes. perhaps the solderly should beat the crap out of their officer corp and leadership instead of taking it out on Civilians.
     
  13. okeechobee

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    100% agree on all points. Not cold enough to reliably move brigades and heavy equipment. Ukrainian soldiers are already used to Ukrainian weather conditions.
     
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  14. mdgator05

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    Weren't you claiming that Ukraine wasn't advancing in the South a few days back because of how many amazing Russian soldiers were there? Were you wrong about the number of Russian soldiers there?
     
  15. duggers_dad

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    Some Russians are mad. Some Russians are livid. None of them have their hands on the levers.
     
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    Hmmm, didn't they just name some of them Generals? Strange that the people at the top are satisfied and also replacing leadership.
     
  17. duggers_dad

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    I may have pointed out how something like 7,000+ Ukrainian troops had been killed in the Kherson counter-offensive which commenced early September.
     
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    Yes, Kadyrov was promoted to Col General. Do you think that’s good news for Ukraine ? He’s the guy who wants to eat Ukrainians for breakfast.
     
  19. slayerxing

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    No one has independently confirmed this is the case. For all you know that’s total fantasy. Ukraine has the larger better trained army and results on the field are confirming that. Not much else to say.
     
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