The paranoid mind has overtaken the GOP. The only way forward for conservatives is a new party.

What I'm saying is just my opinion of course, and I don't expect you to agree. Just so my point is clear, most of the extremes I see from the left are from people I've never heard of who are loud but not wielding a lot of actual power. Most of the extremes I see from the right (I'm not talking about tax policy here but about conspiracy theories and screaming about White people and Christians being persecuted) go all the way up to the former President, members of Congress, and the most watched cable news personalities in America. Trump has made nods to QAnon and the Proud Boys while Obama has cautioned his own side about over-reach, being too woke, and the need for compromise. Even most Republicans I talk to concede the asymmetry of the nuttiness right now. Just my opinion.

 

A big concern is, for example, the Tea Party could point to something real. The item or topic at least existed. For example, the deficit and health care. They were real and agreed to exist, and from there it could be debated. this new maga republican believes in conspiracy theories. They believe events that aren’t based in reality. For example, the Big Lie.
Its cult like and as a society we can't do much about it. But a new party would be a great alternative.

Good OP.

 

The new republicans are AMERICANS first.

 

No they are not. That's just a slogan. I've asked before, I'll ask again. How is Trump's new NAFTA less radical commie than old NAFTA? You will not ans. You don't know. you don't care. You just like slogans. You think HUGE GOV Reagan was small gov cuz his speech writer had a few nice zingers. his 11 taxes increases, war on drugs, expanding gov spending 90%, expanding OSHA, blowing up the deficit, massively increasing farm subsidies & increasing protected industries 100% be damned. Now go post a YT video like a good little sheep.

 

No, the ones that were first and foremost Americans have been run out of the party, beaten in primaries, or forced to resign.

The “New Republicans” are merely election deniers.

 

Actually, moderate republicans and democrats should unite and break away completely from the whack right and left.

 

I just spent a week of vacation with a couple that are hardcore election deniers - they mostly like Trump and they love Desantis. Both are smart in their own way but not at all well read. One is college educated teacher at a middling college, the other is not college educated - very smart in some ways but not in matters such as this. Husband runs a very successful and profitable small business. In many other ways they are highly gullible. They tend to gravitate towards conspiracies. They often seek “alternative” healthcare - they are anti Covid vax, into “natural” supplements (some of which are harmful) and visit practitioners some of which are obvious quacks. They consume copious amounts of right wing media, Fox, OAN, internet. That is all they consume.

They frequently bring up politics in spite of knowing my leanings. They think I am very smart and informed in many ways, especially financial (I have helped them on business and personal finance issues) yet on political issues they think they have superior information and I’m just biased by fake news.

I highly doubt before the Trump era they were very political. I don’t think they are hateful people or particularly racist, they are just gullible and highly misinformed and are attracted to simplistic but strong narratives and victimhood narratives. Occasionally they will state an opinion that would fit a very liberal narrative - such as government should support special needs individuals. I tell them that is never going to happen if you vote for people who don’t support that. They think the problem is you can’t trust governement at all because it’s mostly waste, and then play me a 5 minute audio clip of Rand Paul ranting about wasteful seemingly absurd examples of federal spending. When it was done I said he just brought up about $2.5 million of spending for a federal government that spends over $4 trillion. I may have been explaining that to a couple of fence posts.

I try to avoid conversations with them, but they keep bringing them up. Finally I get dragged in and I can address just about anything they bring up, but I just get worn down by their zealotry and ridiculous propoganda, but at the same time have to be careful not to offend them. It was just tiresome. I’ll never do that again.

In many ways I think these are the new Republican. It was largely consistent with the idiocy you’d see at gator shitter PF. Nothing is going to change as long as there is a junction of media that makes money feeding the narrative of right wing victimhood to marginally informed individuals who choose to consume this type of media.

Politics has become a lot like college football. Lots of narratives and stereotypes and tribalism, and a true feeling that the “other side” is fundamentally different and defective in some way.

 

No, Reagan was rightfully known as “The Great Communicator” who restored confidence in the office of president after the disastrous four years of Jimmy Carter. His “war on drugs” was a major reason why overall crime rates, which were rampant in the ‘70’s, started declining sharply once he took office. Reagan also strengthened the weak and ineffective military which Carter left behind and his diplomacy skills were a major factor in ending the Cold War. Finally, because of Reagan’s policies (reducing taxes and government spending), the US went through an almost decade long economic boom during his term.

Again, taking over for possibly the most ineffective president in history, the leadership skills of Ronald Reagan was just what this country needed at the time.

 

he raised taxes 11 times. He increased spending 90%. the gov's share of GDP increased under Reagan. He increased protectionism 100%. Don't be a party boy. Give conservatism a chance. Jesus, you are defending the radical commie drug war.

 

Crime rates spiked in the 1980s through the early 1990s. Largely because the war on drugs didn't stop drugs, it just caused violence.

 

Still better than posting YouTube Videos from conservative morons called "This is what liberals really think".

 

That's some serious revisionist history.

Wrong on reducing crime.

Ineffective military? Remind me, what war did Carter lose? We've had nukes since the 1950s. The military isn't about defending the country. No one is going mess with us. The military has been reprioritized to be the world police man.

The Cold War ended because the Soviet Union failed. Very little, if anything, to do with Reagan.

Reagan had two recessions, and the biggest stock market crash in history near the end of terms, followed by a slow recovery that lost Bush I a second term...

But even through all that, you still inadvertently make a great point about how Biden taking over after the worst president in American history is just what the country needed.

 

Not only is your name plagiarized from Auburn you obviously have taken on some of their gall.

It takes quite a pair to accuse someone of revisionist history and then spew a post like that.

 

When you refuse to expand your tent, you have to double down on your base, and try to suppress the other side.

Demographics are increasingly shifting out of their favor, and now it’s becoming a life or death matter to them, and acting like a cornered animal.

Democracy was useful until it no longer served them.

 

I remember there was a lot of crime in New York City and then in 1994 a new mayor was elected and cleaned up the crime in New York.....what was his name?

 

This certainly seems paranoid.

Ron DeSantis says a 'national regime media' wanted Hurricane Ian to hit Tampa to 'advance their agenda' of hurting Florida

 

What part is wrong?

Here is a chart of violent Crimes in the US, for example….Thank God for Bill Clinton… amiright…..

 

Crime in New York began falling before his election. It peaked about when Dinkins became Mayor in 1990 and started falling then. But nice try.

 

Politics has become a lot like college football. Lots of narratives and stereotypes and tribalism, and a true feeling that the “other side” is fundamentally different and defective in some way.

Funny you acknowledge this while trashing people with differing opinions.
I'm not an election denier but I do believe there was some peculiarities that are hard to accept, while at the same time I accept Biden as our president. You can be both skeptical but accepting and not be anti-American. The part that bothers me the most about the left's condescending attitude is they know the facts because their facts came from their approved sources. I have learned nearly all sources are compromised to a point, follow the money to determine just how much and which direction they are compromised.
Now retort with some condescending remarks to stay right in character as most on this board.