We are supposed to trust and follow politicians and pentagon brass that frequently thrust troops in harms way in unwinnable situations, but a vaccine? That is different!!
Literally billions of doses of covid vaccines have gone out. I would agree Omicron strain has made the available vaccines somewhat more debatable vs the original rollout, calling them “experimental cocktails with unknown side effects” is almost comical at this point. That’s straight up anti-vaxxer nonsense. Their safety profile is basically a known quantity based on a massive data set (the “sample size” is more than half the adult population). For a member of the military to fail to follow orders for a vaccine broadly distributed to the civilian population, calling it an “experimental cocktail” isn’t going to fly. This isn’t the anthrax vaccine, which almost no civilian would likely receive. Even then, these are not orders of conscience where there is any moral leg to stand on (such as being ordered to commit a crime or atrocity). A soldier failing to follow legal orders to get vaccinated are just showing that they cannot actually be trusted in the chain of command. It’s like a marine refusing the standard haircut (a now traditional practice which also originated for the “public health” of the soldiers).
I'm always surprised when I read threads like this that conservatives are so numerous, because they seem too maladapted evolutionarily to thrive.
If you can't follow basic orders, you shouldn't be in the military. People in our armed forces have to get a lot of vaccines.
as I said multiple times I wasn’t arguing about following orders and vaccine mandates in general. And the purpose of my OP was not to start another vaccine Vs non vaccine thread. I am not anti vax. I took the J&J long after I had contracted the original Covid. My point was we enacted a vaccine mandate for military based on what was the best information we had( and I agreed with it to keep readiness). Now that information has changed dramatically. Almost every company/ jurisdiction has dropped their vaccine mandate and some countries have advised against booster for anyone under 50. My point was it’s a shame the policy can’t evolve from what we thought was correct 2 years ago and not create a line to push out highly trained and highly skilled individuals such as the rescue swimmer who received the call from Biden while rescuing trapped Floridians
You can add the risks could outweigh the benefits at this time for a young healthy male. This is about bureaucracy and a few authoritarian tyrants in charge of it.
This is a good thread. I did not take the shot(s). And have been proven correct in that decision. Finally got one of the omicron versions recently. And it was way less severe because I did not take the shot(s) and increase my risk for myocarditis (completely facetious here as the argument that people say there symptoms were less severe because of the shot is unknown when they say so)… Forcing young healthy people to take these shot(s) is right behind keeping kids out of school as the worst things this public health disaster has done. Unbelievable damage has been done by these public health officials.
It's also a "narrative" to assume people chose this due to politics. Many do not. Anti vaxers in general come from all political sides.
So why the repeated use of “got run out”? The OP’s narrative is to relieve Loesch of any responsibility and blame the CG for Loesch’s decision to resign his commission. I have no idea what the OP’s political leanings are. He’s rarely on TH. I like his posts in the Den.
To clarify, I'm not speaking of the OP. Im just saying that I know people who are nervous about vaccines in general and who, and I also know pro vax people that have avoided this one. I also know that the most "anti vax" people I have met in my life tend to be the tree hugger types.
Even worse than you-know-who, who's as smug as a Christian holding 4 aces? BTW, what's a "tree hugger"?
It’s all just so stupid The graphs also show the gap between Democrats and Republicans becomes noticeable only after vaccines become widely available. In other words, absent the vaccines, the effect of partisan ideology was not very large. But when people gained the ability to choose to take the most powerful step to protect themselves and others, Republican and Democratic outcomes vary. The obvious conclusion is that more Democrats got vaccines and more lived. Fewer Republicans did and more died. The figure below reiterates this point. Before vaccine availability, excess deaths are similar for Democrats and Republicans. After vaccines become available, the two groups separate: the excess death rate gap between Republicans and Democrats increases from 1.6 percentage points to 10.4 percentage points. In counties with very high vaccination rates, Republicans behave much like Democrats, and also have lower excess deaths. Republicans elites killed their own followers
I have stayed out of this discussion and really have nothing to add except the most anti vax person I know has a medical degree and actually worked for the CDC for 40 years. It was kind of strange to hear Bob talk about his former coworkers when the vax first came out.
The vaccine mandate makes as much sense today as it did a year ago, particularly in the military where flu shots are also required. If this serviceman is prepared to leave over the mandate, so be it.
