Brazil election today

Their most famous soccer player is publicly endorsing him too so that’s not great. But Lula the former President and recently released from prison isnt a great alternative.

 

They were claiming voter fraud before the election began

 

I guess we aren't the only ones that get crappy choices

 

Then Leftists are the most polarizing humans on Earth. Every time they get into office whole countries whither and die on the vine from 'trickle-up' communism.

 

From the little bit I have read, I would not accept the purported criminal charges against Lula at face value. Most of what I have read from people who seem to know the situation is that the charges were politically created

 

South America has been mostly leftist governed for over 50 years. It’s been extremely effective. People are so overwhelmingly happy that 10’s of millions have left those green pastures to come here. Ever wonder why?

Leftist/Socialist government always sounds so good and fails so badly.

 

Lula is the man

 

Looks like it's going to a Run off with Lula getting 48% and Brazilian Trump getting 43%.

 

I would be surprised, no stunned, if Lula wasn’t actually guilty. Corruption is so pervasive and significant in South America it makes Chicago look like child’s play. Judges are particularly corrupt in South America which makes this entire thing especially entertaining as the judge that convicted Lula was held to be biased against him but the Supreme Court Justice that initially overturned the decision is openly a major supporter of Lula’s party, and Lula and his successor appointed most of the judges on the Supreme Court that overturned his conviction.

That being said, he’s still preferable to Bolsanaro but Lula is another flawed, recycled septuagenarian

 

He certainly preferable, but I don't know if I'm comfortable with the confidence of the analysis based just on the region. And we create a lot of the circumstances of the region. My biases come from being very immersed in the Jesuits' history and the writing of Greg Grandin

 

I studied law in Argentina, Uruguay and Brazil over one summer and met some brilliant legal minds during that time. Was even able to sit in the justices’ seats in the Argentine Supreme Court and later met connected attorneys and professors in São Paulo. I have no problem making that assertion based on what I learned during my time there.

 

Fair enough, but you would need to define your terms a lot better. There's about 20 related issues that would have to be unpacked before I can make a moral judgment as to his fitness for office based upon his past or present tendency towards corruption, which was to me the issue. The stuff I read that was persuasive, and I'm not necessarily interested in looking up again to find it, was that the charges that triggered the ability to remove from office were invalid and pretextual, to essentially create a constitutional coup. Those were very persuasive to me.

In terms of the region been subject corruption, I would stand by the fact that we have rarely let political systems down there develop organically and independently. Again, going to rely upon the Jesuits and Greg Grandin, mainly this 2006 work, summarized as follows:

An eye-opening examination of Latin America 's role as proving ground for U.S. imperial strategies and tactics In recent years, one book after another has sought to take the measure of the Bush administration's aggressive foreign policy. In their search for precedents, they invoke the Roman and British empires as well as postwar reconstructions of Germany and Japan. Yet they consistently ignore the one place where the United States had its most formative imperial experience: Latin America. A brilliant excavation of a long-obscured history, Empire's Workshop is the first book to show how Latin America has functioned as a laboratory for American extraterritorial rule. Historian Greg Grandin follows the United States' imperial operations, from Thomas Jefferson's aspirations for an "empire of liberty" in Cuba and Spanish Florida, to Ronald Reagan's support for brutally oppressive but U.S.-friendly regimes in Central America. He traces the origins of Bush's policies to Latin America, where many of the administration's leading lights--John Negroponte, Elliott Abrams, Otto Reich--first embraced the deployment of military power to advance free-market economics and first enlisted the evangelical movement in support of their ventures. With much of Latin America now in open rebellion against U.S. domination, Grandin concludes with a vital question: If Washington has failed to bring prosperity and democracy to Latin America--its own backyard "workshop"--what are the chances it will do so for the world?


https://www.thriftbooks.com/w/empir...0qEaArlmEALw_wcB#idiq=5662730&edition=4487488

 

As an American it seems difficult to call any nation more corrupt than ours. Whatever the case, they have a superior electoral system, but that is also a low bar to clear.