Stacey Abrams...lower than dirt

... Again she claims MEN manufactured the sound.

...And I bet your doctor told you it was a heartbeat. All 3 of our doctors did.

Regardless of the science, her claim that MEN made it up to control woman is nonsense since even by your definition there is a sound produced.

 

Not at six weeks they didn't.

If someone tells you that you don't have bodily autonomy that is by definition control and it is men (although not exclusively) that are doing it.

 

At 8 weeks you didn’t.

 

When Can You Hear Baby’s Heartbeat?

How Your Baby's Heart Develops

 

Eh, what the hell do they know? Dr abrams is on the case now.

 

Wow. You guys are bending over backwards to defend a stupid comment. She said men "manufactured" the sound for a sole purpose.

That is not accurate. The sound comes from a bodily function picked up by the ultrasound machine. Its existed for decades and was not manufactured for the purpose she claims.

And yes... Our doctors 100% told us that was the heartbeat

This article calls it a "detectable flutter", but regardless it is 100% false to say the sound is "manufactured" by "men".
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sc...cted-at-6-weeks-isn-t-quite-what-we-think/amp

 

Yes I did. The doctor pointed at the screen and we could hear the rhythmic beat.

Anyone who had been in that room for that confirmation visit will attest.

 

Not at six weeks, sorry. I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that I know more about this than you do. "Cause you know, I've actually been pregnant.

 

You are right but I am bowing out of this conversation. All I have is what I read in real medical journals. That doesn’t beat your personal experience or tilly’s memory of something that happened a decade ago.

 

ITT: People claim that a heartbeat can exist without an actual heart present to beat.

 

So on the subject of dumb people, according to a new poll Herschel is running a very close race with Warnock in Georgia. If this poll reflects reality, look up "dumb" in the dictionary and one definition should be "roughly half the population of Georgia."

 

What a lame retort SB. Youre better than that. Pretty sure I was in the same room as my wife and hear and saw what was happening. You have been given links.

Maybe you were pregnant under different technology but we 100% were told that. In the first case it was part of how they verified she was pregnant and they estimated 6-7 weeks.

Her statement was nonsense. Men did not "manufacture" the sound. The sound exists. We have cited links above from ya know... doctors and stuff

 

Maybe just American babies have no heartbeat all of a sudden because in England their government health system says otherwise:

By the time you're 6 to 7 weeks pregnant, there's a large bulge where the heart is ....The heart can sometimes be seen beating on a vaginal ultrasound scan at this stage.
You and your baby at 6 weeks pregnant

 

I'm not sure whether the heart activity is truly audible means much to me in either direction. But this offers additional details that help me understand this debate a little better.

When Are Heartbeats Audible During Pregnancy? - FactCheck.org

What most parents experience as the first audible “heartbeat” during pregnancy comes from a device known as an acoustic Doppler or a Doppler fetal monitor. The machine is handheld and also uses ultrasound waves, taking advantage of the Doppler shift.

Technically, the heart sounds that the machine produces are not the actual sound of the fetus’s heart beating. As a product manual for one such device explains, the sound is the amplified version of the difference between the transmitted and received signals. “It is important to remember that the sound you hear is an artificial sound, the frequency (pitch) of which is proportional to the velocity of the moving target,” the manual reads. “It is not the real sound made by blood rushing through an artery or vein, or movement of the fetal heart.”

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Doppler ultrasounds, which are distinct from the handheld monitors, can also provide audio and visual confirmation of a heartbeat during pregnancy, including more detailed evaluations of fetal blood flow. The American Institute of Ultrasound in Medicine, however, discourages the use of such machines in the first trimester.

To hear a true heartbeat, expecting parents can turn to a stethoscope — if they are willing to wait. According to the 25th edition of “Williams Obstetrics,” a standard stethoscope successfully picks up fetal heartbeats in 80% of patients after 20 weeks, and in all patients after 22 weeks. But Werner said that in her practice, most OB/GYNs don’t even carry stethoscopes. “All the rooms,” she said, “have acoustic Dopplers.”

 

This is very close to what I read from different sources. So tilly what you heard was this not an actual heartbeat. This is almost a completely irrelevant debate. It doesn’t change that health care at this point is a decision to be made by the woman with the advice and consent of her practitioner.

 

By "my definition" (which is actually what the doctors are saying), the machine manufactures the sound. Why the machine manufactures that sound I don't know. Abrams stated her opinion. I haven't seen you post anything that disproves that opinion.

Your source literally confirms what the doctors in the source I posted said. You can see the electrical impulses, but the SOUND IS MANUFACTURED. Basically, Abrams is right. Now, you're trying to quibble with her opinion on why they manufactured this sound.

 

Im pointing out that science considera it a heartbeat and quibbling over why the sound was made is the whole point man.

Perhaps she could post one shred of evedence that the sound exists because a man wanted control over a woman.

It's nonsense. Defending it is the epitome of partisanship. She is lying and making crap up.

Some one the left need some intestinal fortitude and call her out.

 

Science doesn't consider it a heartbeat. Scientists explaining it to expectant parents sometimes describe it as a heartbeat because that makes the expectant parents super happy.

 

By the way all electronic sounds are just reproductions of the actual sound.
Its converted into signals or impulses.

Listening to a game on the radio is not the actual voice. It is an electrical recreation of the voice.

I guess we can start arguing that we dont have any proof of Mick Hibert ever calling games because all we have are electrically transmitted signals of his voice.