So what’s new in DuhSantistan?

Would this be that much different than if blue states opened up their jails and prisons and sent criminals to red states? Sounds a bit like a domestic Mariel Boat Lift.

 

never claimed to be a liberal but so many have had to live through so much worse that it seems that perspective is totally lost. And yes, I told all 3 of my kids that when they would want to focus on how bad they had it. I saw it in all 3 of my kids, son took a leap year to be able to live life because he lost his senior year so he will be one more year on the payroll. daughters not nearly as extroverted and light hearted as pre-covid but that could be 2 years maturity too..

To compare that life lesson to what DeSantis is doing is nonsensical though. Between supporting book banning, going after disney for freedom of speech, targeting teachers with rainbow stickers, election police, supporting far right wing curriculum positions, relieving state attorney of office due to abortion position, removing schoolboard in dem Broward County and replacing them with pub friends to fire the school superintendent over mask issue, putting unqualified teachers in the classroom....... I could go on. There is no comparison. One to help dim an ever growing pandemic killing millions, the other to satisfy a personal ideology or a feeling of being slighted while restructuring the educational system to fit their right wing ideology. You see them as equal, I see them borne of entirely different intentions that reflect the character of the people that instituted them.

 

These people weren't locked in a trailer, so that's a red herring. Maybe you just don't get it. Asylum seekers have to show up to immigration court or else they can be ordered deported in absentia. They are assigned an immigration court based on where they're located. When they were fraudulently induced on to these flights, their information wasn't updated with DHS with accurate locations (one of their attorneys said DHS was given phony addresses all over the country). That meant that some of these asylum seekers were expected to show up to hearings as far away as Tacoma, Washington, within days of being dropped off in Martha's Vineyard.

That's not even mentioning the fact that DeSantis and his cronies dropped them off with no resources, no notice to the Massachusetts official, and no assistance in finding the resources. This is after they lied to them about what was waiting in Massachusetts and where they were going. Answer this, if people really were better off there, why did DeSantis's cronies have to lie to them to get them on the flight?

The fact that you're actually trying to argue this was done to make them better off is just mind-blowingly ignorant.

 

It's interesting that you're now being accused of being a liberal. Apparently, anybody who dislikes the new MAGA Party is now a liberal. I'm blown away that Tilly can't or isn't willing to appreciate the difference in intent here.

At worst, the people who engaged in the COVID-mitigation measures acted to try and reduce suffering and death. Maybe they were wrong, but their heart was in the right place. It was a once-in-a-lifetime pandemic.

DeSantis's heart isn't in the right place on any of this. He's doing this purely for his own political gain and doesn't care how many people he harms. He wants to be President, and using the government to harm the GOP's political "enemies" boosts his chances. There's nothing justifiable about what he's doing.

 

As expected, made up BS.

 

I think I know what you're trying to say, but I think the people who died in the trailer were actually smuggled illegally - as opposed to seeking asylum. Presumably, that's why they were being transported and were trapped the way they were.

 

Hypocrisy is not having a different opinion than another person. As pointed out, even the most libertarian of philosophers have recognized the need of the government to intervene in the case of a pandemic because the risk is not individualized through only individual action. It is one of the core functions of government, in fact. Now, the nature of how they do this is open to debate and the relative merits of harm vs. benefit (and there were cases that could be made both ways on this). That is the standard political discussion.

This is a matter of not treating people like human beings. There is no compelling state interest in the state of Florida taking legal residents from Texas and lying to them and essentially shipping them as cargo as some sort of political game to Massachusetts, while not even informing the people there of what is happening to help them prepare a response to help the migrants, because, again, they aren't treated as actual people that matter. It is purely meant as an exercise in performative cruelty. When their stunts were laughed at (i.e., offering buses to the cities where immigrants often go anyways), they had to up the cruelty so as not to be a joke but a proper vice signal (signaling to their voters that they have the same vice as them). See, also, for example, the family separation policy.

The problem is that it is clear while you identify on a personal level with the parents who had children that struggled (or were destroyed or whatever hyperbolic language you want to use to make your point), you don't identify with these legal migrants as you have never been one of those (while you have been a parent to a struggling kid). I'd point out that this is a better example of "mind numbing hypocrisy" because it originates only from how much you can identify with one vs. the other.

 

First, none of these immigrants were in a trailer at the point at which agents for your preferred political candidate lied to them to get them on the plane. So what is the point of that comparison other than to make yourself feel better about performative cruelty?

Second, the point is that in a free country, we all choose where we live. I am sure plenty of people think Martha's Vineyard is a better place to live than Wilmington, NC too. So would you be happy if we just put you on a plane and sent you there? Of course not. You have a life that you planned in Wilmington, NC. Similar situation here. If the Venezuelan was originally planning on heading to Florida or New York to be with family, or going to someplace else where he knows there are jobs for somebody with his skillset, that is a better alternative than the truth of being dropped on an island with false promises to make up for the loss of those plans (i.e., that they would have immediate rights to work and be given money and housing) as a political stunt and a way for DeSantis to vice signal.

 

I take being accused of being a lib or a pub (modern version) as an affirmation that I am neither and therefore a win

 

So glad to see this. Who pays if courts rule DeSantis cant? Some pac?

Florida lawmaker sues DeSantis to block future migrant flights from the border | CNN Politics

 

Oh give me a break. Covid killed/hospitalized thousands of kids. Preventing that, and similar harm to teachers, staffs, and families was the purpose of the closures.

You completely ignore those very real harms to cast your political opponents as outright evil. And you have the gall to call others insensitive?

What a joke.

 

Those attracted to DeSantis will love all these reasons. What better way to get rid of immigrants than to trick them by filling our the wrong address for notices and sending them to where they will never get the notices or to their hearing.

 

To be clear. We weren't discussing all of those things. We were comparing the immigrant situation to keeping kids out of schools. I have voiced my concerns about the Disney issue. Some of that stuff is just hate because he is conservative. Removing leaders over the mask issue wasnt the evil that the left thinks it was.
He arguably followed the science (data) on the school mask issue. Of course he wants conservatives in place, just like Newsome wants libs in place and spends California tax dollars to promote liberal agendas in other states.

This stuff is all political pandering and both sides do it.

Again. Why is no one upset about California tax payers funding abortion marketing in other states? Or liberals firing people for not getting a shot. (Their body their choice and all that?)

Regardless....Glad your kids are doing well. That is my greatest concern about the last 3 years. I am thankful mine are. But again, some parents are watching tragedies unfold.

 

AGAIN... That isn't what I said. I said it was pandering, but they were better off in spite of it compared to where they came from.

The fact that you keep saying I said something I didn't is mind blowing.

 

Of course. My point is the sheriff of that county should be more worried about the people dying in trailers and making sure the smuggling stops than he is about scoring some political points.

Desantis is not the problem that needs his attention.

 

Show me the data that allowing a few unvaxed kids into schools where teachers are all vaxed and most other students are vaxed would cause much harm.

You cant because you know the vaccine would have protected almost everyone.

Some of you act like letting these few kids in would have turned our scholls into death wards. Well it would not have because the vaccine would have done ots job.

We have kids in school with no vaccines period, yet we dont see outbreaks of all these other illnesses because the vaccinated majority prevents it.

And stop acting like the left is above politica in this whole thing. THAT is the joke.

 

Desantis=new pub potus threat.

THFSG mantra, making political points is only evil when pubs make them.

 

Remember that the school mandates were also intended to protect the health and safety of the teachers, support staff, bus drivers, and families of students who might bring the deadly virus home with them from school.

 

You suggest that only liberals fired people for not getting vaccinated. That's ridiculous. Many businesses fired those who refused to get vaccinated because they potentially placed other employees and customers in jeapardy due to a lethal pandemic.

 

Personal businesses can do as they wish. We are talking about "authoritarianism" (their word, not mine) by the government.