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War in Ukraine

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by PITBOSS, Jan 21, 2022.

  1. duggers_dad

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    If the Republicans take the House and Senate, I would expect there to be a bit of pushback on Ukraine spending.

    But only because the Republicans will want to send more weapons.

    When it comes to hegemony, there is little or no daylight between the parties.
     
  2. duggers_dad

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    Supposedly, the 300,000 troops will be on the frontlines by December.

    And God said ...

    “Let me create a nation that fights in the winter. I will call it Russia.”
     
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    Russia first sends merc’s and vict’s over. Budgetary savings as you no longer have to house them.
    Now, conscripting protestors, lmfao. Could we have done that in Portland? Or even in TH? ;)
     
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  4. duggers_dad

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    LOL at this notion of Russia snatching hapless males off the street and press-ganging them into service.

    That’s what Ukraine has been doing.
     
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  5. G8trGr8t

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    yes, the firm took on debt that relied on cheap russian gas to make their business model work. no more cheap russian gas, bankruptcy, except they are too big to fail so gubmnt owns them now and socializes the debt. hmmm.. where have I seen that before..maybe GM...and much like GM, the company will turn a profit when the bad debt is stripped from it and nationalized.
     
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  6. slayerxing

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    I keep reading that the mobilization is actually going to be in truth much larger than 300,000. I don't know what they plan to do with 300,000 guys, I guess give them a musket and ask them to sit in a trench all winter? I mean...It takes months to teach them how to use heavy equipment, so if they expect to be IN UKRAINE FIGHTING by December, that means most of these guys are just straight bullet meat.

    I have to say, with that kind of escalation, I feel like wider war is becoming more and more likely as time goes by. One thing people aren't talking about is Europe, especially eastern Europe, has no choice but to respond to that by increasing the size of their own armed forces. They might not talk about it today, but tomorrow, or next week - people will start saying - hey, maybe it's time to at least prepare for greater mobilization.

    What's funny is that mobilization in western countries that haven't fought a real war in a long time is hard. People will be upset. It will be easy for enemies to sow dissent, disinformation, and discord. On top of that the US is not ready to mobilize. Some in the military are concerned about what would happen in any kind of protracted peer warfare. Mobilizing in the Twenty-First Century

    The US has to start getting their ducks in a row on this stuff. The winds are turning, and although I hate to say it, I think ultimately our era of limited peace between great powers is coming to an end.
     
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  7. duggers_dad

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    Or we’ll all be speaking Russian tomorrow!
     
  8. G8trGr8t

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    looks like they are going to have a hard time finding 30k, let alone 300k, willing to go be cannon fodder. Ukraine is going to have to set up mass surrender sites if Russia sends many of these "draftees".
     
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    Hmm... not everyone needs a car but everyone needs electricity specifically in first world nations where it has become as natural as taking a breath without giving it a second thought. We will soon find out who the government considers essential and who it does not.
     
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  11. duggers_dad

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    Russkies having to bury their own dead and dead Ukies too. Small wonder it’s been slow going.
     
  12. carpeveritas

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    Appreciate the article. The one issue not addressed concerning 3D printing is the requirement for ores and rare earth materials. I'll grant 3D printing on site is a game changer but you still require the ores and materials to do it. That means mining, refinement and transportation to the 3D printers.
     
  13. exiledgator

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    Here's the thing: there are no "months of training".
     
  14. VAg8r1

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    Adding the essential condition when they're defending Mother Russia on Russian soil. The Ukrainians are as adept as the Russians at fighting in the winter and they will be the ones defending their own soil against invaders.
     
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  15. chemgator

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    Is "Ukie" the new name for torture victim? It's almost like the Russkies did not want the Ukies to be found.
     
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    Ever see that stupid movie The Tomorrow War? Essentially, aliens attack in the future, and the future militaries are losing. So, no problem, in the future they have time travel, so they go into the past, roughly our period, and convince the world to send its present-day military into the future to fight. Well, surprise, our present-day forces fare no better than the guys with 20-year advanced technology, and they lose, too. So next move: they draft common people from the present and drop them directly into combat with no more than a few hours worth of training and predictable results. I thought it was just a dumb plot, but their plan seems better than this Russian one. I’m predicting now that the entertainment value will be roughly equal.
     
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    The 300,000 supposedly have previous military experience. What is largely unsaid is that the odds are that they will almost certainly be older men who haven't actually been in the military in years if not decades and will require significant training before they can be effectively deployed or more likely they will be sent to the front lines without adequate training where they will be cannon fodder. Not directly on point but related and admittedly very anecdotal around a month ago I saw an interview with a Russian woman whose son was induced to enlist through a monetary incentive. After being sent to Ukraine with very little training he was killed within a month after he enlisting. Similar outcomes with Putin's new troops would not be surprising.
     
  18. duggers_dad

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    The Ukrainians are especially effective when advancing in areas where Russians are absent. Now, when they have to face Russians, that’s when it gets gnarly.
     
  19. duggers_dad

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    Where do you get these offs ? From your guy at the Kremlin ?
     
  20. G8trGr8t

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    Russians fleeing russia. PhD students to the front
    ..past military experience N/A
    Ukraine war: Russians flee to border after military call-up

    Sergei - not his real name - has already been called up.

    The 26-year-old PhD student and lecturer was expecting a delivery of groceries the night before the Putin address, when two men arrived in civilian clothes handing him military papers to sign.

    The Kremlin said only people who had done their military service and had special skills and combat experience would be called up.

    But Sergei has no military experience and his stepfather is worried, as dodging the draft is a criminal offence in Russia.
     
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