So what’s new in DuhSantistan?

who’s gonna stop him?

 

We need a 2024 pub candidate, criminal indictment spinner.

 

Now who's attacking victims?

 

Look what up? The fact that they still have a mandate scheduled? They do. Its just been pushed back.

 

Relax man. I was
1. busting Lawyers chops.
2. My point is the people didnt seek out a lawsuit. The lawsuit sought them.

 

So punish the kids if their parents say no?
Seems fair.

 

Sorry to hear about your kids, tilly. That’s so tough.

You have definitely identified a harm, but I that shouldnt make a policy authoritarian. A major problem is that this a trade off. A policy that pushed everyone to go to schools would have no doubt led to additional harms due to COVID. Due to its transmissibility, the virus represents a public problem deserving a public response.

In fact, FA Hayek himself, perhaps the worlds leader in anti-authoritarianism, wrote that dealing with epidemics are among the proper roles for central government. That isn’t to say that the exact school closures that you experienced were the optimal policy, but that we are dealing with problems of degree, not kind (ie authoritarianism). Eg basically everyone views the military as a proper role for federal government, but never will everyone agree on the exact size of said military. It certainly shouldn’t make a policy authoritarian because it chooses a military that is 10% larger than what you happen to favor, as it’s always going to be bigger and smaller than what someone else favors.

What I am arguing is that the label authoritarian should be reserved for improper categories of government action, rather than degrees of proper use. Otherwise all action could be seen as authoritarian, making the term useless.

I am still sorry to hear about how it affected your daughter. I hope she s improving.

 

He's up to proving the media can now discuss the border after covering it up for two years.

 

Sure does. Especially if you’re trying to actually protect the other kids, the ones they share a classroom with

 

isolation? were they rounded up and put in cells without any forms of communications with others? Did I miss that/

You would compare a temporary, 1x in every 200 year viral infection that killed millions around the world necessitating temporary school closures and/or vaccines to a documented, advertised campaign of book banning, attacks on educators to instill a more nationalist right wing idealogy in the curriculum, firing school boards and filling them with your own like minded people.

Does the book burning, rainbow sticker police, curriculum modifying, military trained teacher cert, remove entire school board and go after superintendent because super defied him on mask order, spend hundreds of thousands with private, russian connected airline to fly migrants cross country in political stunt guy not a concern for you at all or is a year of remote learning worse than all of that and then some?

I think we have drastically different versions of abuse of authority

 

I don't want to come across as uncaring, because it is a shame what happened to children and there was certainly harm.

But you have to weigh that harm against the lives of teachers, parents, and grandparents. I'm sorry, that is a pretty easy calculus at least for me.

The notion that children and young adults were immune to Covid that many have tried to argue was just wrong - we now know they weren't immune they were just asymptomatic. And that would have made them spreaders - to each other, to teachers, to parents, and others.

Asymptomatic Spreaders: Young People with COVID-19

Again, I understand the kids have been negatively affected. But I can't imagine how negatively affected a kid would be if they gave Covid to their parent, grandparent, or teacher and it killed them. And that wasn't a possibility, but a probability through out 2020.

 

I appreciate your words.. and my (VACCINATED) daughter is happily off at App State now and normalcy has returned, but she struggled. She just wasnt herself and as a very social kid felt pretty isolated.

She is resilient and has rebounded very well thankfully.

I emphasized the word vaccinated to show that this myth that only unvaxed kids can be harmed by this thing. My daughter was vaccinated on the same day as I was.

I want to clarify that I dont think anyone should be forced to send their kids to school, just that the very small minority of kids who have PARENTS who make a different choice should not be punished by the government.

Banning unvaxed kids from school is simply that. Kids were never a big risk. Teachers in the classroom of those schools were vaccinated. This should not have been what it is.

I just find it quite funny that people are so up in arms over like 50 immigrants being bussed to a better place than they came from. From a county in the US where many have died due to mistreatment. (This sheriff complaining is from the county where the trailer load of immigrants were found dead.)

Martha's vineyard beats the trailers in that Texas county all day.

This is political. This is looking for "authoritarianism" when we have watched liberal governors do worse. (Blocking our kids from social interaction and in person learning is worse than a bus trip to a "sanctuary" location.

And all this complaining about taxpayer dollars is funny too. Pretty sure State and Federal taxes were still collected from homes where kids couldn't go to school.

Authoritarianism is tossed around like many other words. But good lord if bussing immigrants to an arguably better place is it, then so is banning American citizens from going to school.

 

I hear ya...but....It was not a "probability" in 2020. There are no metrics that back up that you would probably get covid.

Also note, California has a law that is due to go into effect for the 2023 fall school year. What calculus justifies that?

When the whole universe shut down it was one thing... But once we got where we were picking and chosing who could go to school, it was different.

 

You understand those vaccinated kids at school went home and hung out with some unvaccinated people/kids right?

It isnt fair to the kid if the parents would not allow them to get the shot. The teachers were vaxed. The other kids were vaxed. The risk was very minimal.

But please tell me how awful it is to go from the butt hole county in Texas where immigrants are dying in trailers to Martha's freaking Vinyard.

The hypocrisy is so transparent yet those commiting it are blinded.

 

So now DeSantis is their saviour? That's really going down the rabbit hole. Even Ron said it was a stunt to make a point. We know it was actually a photo op for the maga types. How unbecoming for those ungracious migrants to sue someone trying to only help them. SMH

 

My problem is why would Florida taxpayers pay for this and what was the benefit to Floridians in the first place. Surely there are better places to be spending 600k.

I submit there was nothing in it for Florida. And now, we’ll be fitting the bill to defend the action in court. Regardless of how it plays out, I think the Florida taxpayer is the loser here.

 

Nope. Not a savior and i already said he was pandering. Its just hypocritical to lose 9nes crap over this and ignore "authoritarianism" on ones own side.

Again. They were moved from a county with a terrible track record of treatment of immigrants. Some are acting like he moved them to a Guantanamo.

The democratic sheriff there should worry about his own issues.

 

Perhaps and as someone who no longer lives there I probably see this different.

I mean Californians are paying for abortion billboards in states not their own. Isnt that a misuse of state funds for political gain?

I think people want to see what they want to see, and condemn what they want to condemn.

This move by DeSantis is a political stunt that likely hurts no one and will get mixed views from his state. Thats pretty par for the course in politics these days.

I'm not a fan of this stunt, but it does draw attention to a real issue. I'm not a fan of his Disney stunt either.

But it will take way more than that to get me to support the not tolerant "pRoGrEsSiVe" agenda of the current left.

 

It is simply a matter of motives. You wish to hold out Ca. as an example of authoritarianism and admit the same for the DeSantis stunt. Do you ignore the motives? Was not one an example of trying to make the best of a bad situation and the other was a random Gov. jumping in to make a splash at the expense of unfortunates?

 

I think the billboards you reference were paid by the CA gov re-election campaign, not from the state budget. I would not be a fan of them either though. The idea to advertise what amounts to abortion tourism makes my skin crawl.

One side note, apparently the idea to transport immigrants to blue states was proposed by Trump back in 2019. His administration lawyers told him it was illegal then. I guess tx and fl gov don’t particularly care about legality.

It just seems so little return on something that has the potential to blow up in their face.