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FBI Executed a Warrant at Mar a Lago; the Investigation Continues

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by duchen, Aug 8, 2022.

  1. docspor

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    that's BS! either all our enemies have long gotten what they want from the America hatin orange one or they were not formidable enemies. America Last!
     
  2. pkaib01

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    Opps!

    Judge Dearie with the curve ball. He wants to complete the review by October 8th instead of the end of November (after midterms).

     
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  3. pkaib01

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    And there's this! The special master is requiring trump state whether or not he declassified the documents in question. Oh my!

     
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  5. G8trGr8t

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    On the record or on the interwebs?

    and how will judges going forward feel about the what about me defense where everyone served a warrant about national security issue wants to be able to review the evidence before a criminal case is filed or arrest made. Will the 11th come out and say that DT is special and deserves special treatment under the law that others do not?

    Why Not Me? Judge’s Credulous Mar-a-Lago Ruling Leaves Some Attorneys Wanting More (msn.com)

    But Cannon’s ruling, if ever extended to anyone beyond Trump, would open up new opportunities for defense attorneys or those seeking to challenge executive branch classification decisions.

    Lawyers representing clients in national security matters or defending them before white collar prosecutions would now, under Judge Cannon’s interpretation of the law, be able to sift through evidence that prosecutors gather even before the DOJ decides whether or not to file charges.

    It’s a massive advantage that, so far, has only ever really been accorded to Trump.

    “Every defendant would love to have a special master with a search warrant, as it would give you two bites at the apple with suppression of evidence,” Harry Sandick, a former Manhattan federal prosecutor now in private practice, told TPM.
     
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  6. G8trGr8t

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    DT's own lawyers told him that keeping the documents was illegal. He knew, he felt that he is above the rules.

    Trump Was Warned Late Last Year of Potential Legal Peril Over Documents (msn.com)

    A onetime White House lawyer under President Donald J. Trump warned him late last year that Mr. Trump could face legal liability if he did not return government materials he had taken with him when he left office, three people familiar with the matter said.

    The lawyer, Eric Herschmann, sought to impress upon Mr. Trump the seriousness of the issue and the potential for investigations and legal exposure if he did not return the documents, particularly any classified material, the people said.

    The account of the conversation is the latest evidence that Mr. Trump had been informed of the legal perils of holding onto material that is now at the heart of a Justice Department criminal investigation into his handling of the documents and the possibility that he or his aides engaged in obstruction.
     
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  7. G8trGr8t

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    and typical DT response...you can't make me. nope, not going to do it. they have to prove they are classified. that is my rule. you have to agree. take that meanie

    Team Trump refuses special master's order to list which Mar-a-Lago documents Trump 'declassified' (msn.com)

    Attorneys for former President Donald Trump on Monday responded to their special master's Saturday request to identify which top secret documents that were among the hoarded trove at Trump's Mar-a-Lago compound that Trump claims he declassified before he quietly removed them from the White House.

    Senior Judge Raymond J. Dearie of the United States District Court for the Eastern District of New York is tasked with reviewing the classification and executive privilege statuses of the highly sensitive materials that were seized by the Federal Bureau of Investigation during its August 8th search warrant execution at the Palm Beach, Florida club, which seasoned national security professionals have warned has been a "magnet for spies."
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    The Draft Plan requires that the Plaintiff disclose specific information regarding declassification to the Court and to the Government. We respectfully submit that the time and place for affidavits or declarations would be in connection with a Rule 41 motion that specifically alleges declassification as a component of its argument for return of property," Trump's counselors wrote.

    "Otherwise," they continued, "the Special Master process will have forced the Plaintiff to fully and specifically disclose a defense to the merits of any subsequent indictment without such a requirement being evident in the District Court’s order." It is also notable that whatever statements are filed with the court are done so under penalty of perjury.
     
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  8. duchen

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    Double speak. The Master has to know what was allegedly not classified in order to review and make the ordered determinations. Absent that, the documents are classified in their face and there is nothing for the master to do. And the proposed time line is just stalking 11,000 documents can easily be recovered in a week.
     
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  9. pkaib01

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    Exactly. If trump doesn't assert the docs were declassified, he cannot claim they are his property. Easy peasy for the special master.
     
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  10. ajoseph

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    Well, her ruling is from far right field….
     
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  12. duchen

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    This special master is a sitting federal judge with senior status and a former FISA court judge. Trump’s position makes his work easy: he has to simply determine that there are no disputed facts before him upon which to assess the documents are not classified. The government provided there is evidence that the are, the documents bear classified markings, and Trump did not dispute this with evidence or briefing. That moots the steps ordered by the District Judge. My bet now is that he enters an interim report on the classified documents and does do before 10-8. That should per it Judge Cannon to vacate the injunction against those documents being used.
     
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  13. WC53

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    Just like election deniers, what will you say in public vs what will under oath.

    After one judges craycray I am a bit pessimistic.
     
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  18. BLING

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    Satire that will probably be reality within the week.
     
  19. gatorchamps960608

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    Dearie told the Trump team this is a civil hearing and you are the plaintiffs so you prove YOUR case. Not the government's responsibility in this hearing.
     
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  20. duggers_dad

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    Wasn’t the FBI founded to spy on Americans ?