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FBI Executed a Warrant at Mar a Lago; the Investigation Continues

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by duchen, Aug 8, 2022.

  1. ajoseph

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    Well, she didn’t ignore them; she got the holdings wrong. Perhaps intentionally.

    But the gist of her orders is that this is a politically charged investigation, which requires at least the air of independence so that a large segment of the population does not lose trust in the government.

    As far as a stay of her order, she might be right, particularly as clarified, that there’s no urgency for a stay.

    I think the 11th Circuit will ultimately reverse her, based on clear precedent, or take great pains to limit the case to the particular facts. But I’m skeptical as to whether there will be a stay.
     
  2. duchen

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    This was meant for another poster. I know your bear history
     
  3. duchen

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    You do criminal work, right? What would you think if you filed an action for a civil injunction like this after one of you your clients was searched?
     
  4. ajoseph

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    None. Business litigation. But to your point, if I filed a motion in one court asking a judge to stop another judge in another court from exercising its own jurisdiction over its case,I know I would be writing a check.
     
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  5. ajoseph

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    By the way, to the extent anybody truly believed Cannon’s rulings are not politically based, look no further than her order appointing the special master today, where she asked him to complete his work by … November 30th — right after the midterm elections.
     
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  7. duchen

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  9. pkaib01

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    Haha! This is so true if one is following the trump claims.

     
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  12. ursidman

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    Yes, and I didn’t see that the brief mentioned Judge Cannon by name. That was nice of them.
     
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    I'm no lawyer but the brief sure made some claims that seemed irrefutable.
     
  14. pkaib01

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    A thread from a former CIA lawyer describing how it's going to be difficult for trump even with the special master. What a mess.

    "I've spent quite a bit of time outlining all the legal & practical problems presented by Cannon's order wrt the classified docs, but remember that if the stay isn't granted, Trump will have an uphill climb on the merits, so much that he might just take his ball & go home. Why?"

    Thread by @secretsandlaws on Thread Reader App
     
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  15. tampagtr

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    Without reading the briefs, I will note that Marcy Wheeler, whose opinion I respect, thinks that Judge Cannon's order is not necessarily dumb, simply lawless. She thinks the order is deliberately drafted in a way to try to sabotage the prosecution. It's completely lawless and unsupportable, she doesn't think we should label it as reflecting ignorance so much as malice
     
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  17. duchen

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    Judge Cannon was a federal appellate clerk. She is not dumb. Her ruling is from left field
     
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  18. tampagtr

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    That makes sense. Like I said, I've learned to trust Marcy and she thinks the opinion is far from dumb. She just thinks it's lawless and intended to protect Trump
     
  19. ursidman

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    So it would seem. I wonder if Cannon is getting "advice and counsel" from outside? Was heartened by the excerpt from Garland's speech on Saturday that she quoted:
    "The Rule of Law means that the law treats each of us alike: there is not one rule for friends, another for foes; one rule for the powerful, another for the powerless; a rule for the rich, another for the poor; or different rules, depending upon one’s race or ethnicity or country of origin.

    That we will uphold the Rule of Law and seek to make real the promise of equal justice under law. That we will do what is right, even if that means doing what is difficult."



    I am starting to believe he means it.
     
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  20. tampagtr

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    I have strong suspicion that she was getting guidance from outside, especially after her first order really question why it was even filed with her