Is this real? Could the USSC allow state legislatures to select electors to the electoral college independent of the popular vote? Does anybody here support that position? 'Kiss our democracy goodbye': Robert Reich sends warning of GOP lawmakers superseding the will of the voters (msn.com) Former United States Labor Secretary Robert Reich released a new video on Tuesday warning of the danger to democracy posed by an upcoming Supreme Court case scheduled for this fall in Moore versus Harper, which will will petition the Court to embrace the fringe Independent State Legislature Theory that grants state lawmakers the power to supersede the will of the voters in presidential elections. "In February 2022, the North Carolina Supreme Court blocked the state's Republican-controlled general assembly from instituting a newly-drawn congressional district map, holding that the map violated the state constitutional ban on non-partisan gerrymandering," Reich explained. State Representative Tim Moore (R-111th District), the Speaker of the North Carolina House, "appealed the decision to the US Supreme Court, advancing this theory – a theory that's circulated for years in right-wing circles – which argues that the US Constitution gives state legislatures alone the power to regulate federal elections in their states," Reich continued, noting that the Constitution "does grant state legislatures the authority to prescribe the 'times, places, and manner of holding elections.'" The ongoing effort to install right-wing partisans on electoral commissions, school boards, and state secretaries of state – who typically oversee elections – is a clear and present danger to "our last line of defense" of democracy, Reich explained.
Damn right it's real, this has been the Trump agenda ever since he lost the election, the slimy, slick way to take away the voting rights of American citizens.............. Doug Mastriano, right here in PA, running for Gov., is a big advocate of just saying (screw the vote) put crooks in office to overturn elections..........it's called FACISM!
I’ve been trying g to tel people when is say democracy is at risk; it’s not hyperbole Arizona tried this in 2020 and thankfully it got shot down. The man trying to be PA’s governor would lead the band in doing this if he got elected. Heck, Michigan and PA legislators floated this in 2020 as well, thankfully they had leaders who quashed it, but that may not be the case in 2024 It’s real, and this case would be the first big step in that direction. They have completely lost their minds. Thankfully Many of us here have the means to leave if all this comes to pass. But many other don’t.
But I'm sure you guys are totes ok with the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact which could possibly nullify the will of voters in certain states.
That's just peachy knowing that a bunch of maga hacks in a legislature can just decide to disregard the will of the people. How very lower case d democratic of them.
"A survey of 800 Florida voters conducted on January 9-10, 2009 showed 78% overall support for a national popular vote for President. By political affiliation, support for a national popular vote was 88% among Democrats, 68% among Republicans, and 76% among others. By gender, support for a national popular vote was 88% among women and 69% among men. By age, support for a national popular vote was 79% among 18-29 year olds, 78% among 30-45 year olds, 76% among 46-65 year olds, and 80% for those older than 65. By race, support for a national popular vote was 80% among whites (representing 70% of respondents), 69% among African Americans (representing 13% of respondents), 79% among Hispanics (representing 13% of respondents), and 72% among others (representing 4% of respondents). The survey had a margin of error of plus or minus 3 1/2%."
Yes and no. If a state legislature wants to eliminate Presidential votes in that state, it could do it. If the state legislature holds an election, it must follow the law set for holding the election. In other words, it can't change the law after the election to try and invalidate the results. Of course, the state legislature could pass a law saying it can invalidate any election it decides is fraudulent before the election. If that happened, yes, it could invalidate the election. This case is more significant for a couple other reasons. First, it would kill all anti-gerrymandering provisions in state constitutions, including our Fair District Amendments in Florida (to the extent the Florida Supreme Court won't already kill them), with regard to Congressional elections. Second, it will allow the far-right Supreme "Court" to review decisions from state supreme courts on state constitutional law questions that provide more protections to voters than federal law does. As of now, the Supreme "Court" cannot review pure state-law decisions. In other words, it would expand SCOTUS's power at the expense of state supreme courts and allow SCOTUS to invalidate decisions it can't review under current law because it disagrees with the state supreme court (and we all know which way that will go.) So yes, this case will be disastrous for democracy. And I fully expect far-right SCOTUS to adopt the Independent State Legislature Theory despite it being ahistorical nonsense. Why? Because it is good for the Republican Party.
It would actually promote the will of voters in all states in a way the electoral college fails to do.
If you are asking if Im in favor of eliminating the electoral college, my answer would be yes. At a minimum, eliminate the all or nothing state requirements so that electoral votes reflect the vote of the people
And yet, I am not remotely confident the far-right majority won't pretend it's legitimate history and cite to it. That's how manifestly dishonest these people are.
I think roadie has a point, if the popular vote pact goes into effect without all 50 states signing on. That said, you have a point that the current winner-take-all system already negates a great deal of citizens’ votes.
Cool, cool, cool. Then you should have no problem calling for a Constitutional Convention and amending the Constitution so that the President will be elected by popular vote.
The Presidential Election is for the will of the voter in each individual state, not all states. Amend the Constitution or just admit your side goes around our founding principles just as the other side does.
