So what’s new in DuhSantistan?

The day 1 immigration bill wasn’t a serious attempt to pass legislation it was to put Biden’s proposal on record. His serious proposals have actually passed, to his credit. I’m not sure he has any goodwill left among Republican to work with them due to the toxicity of politics unfortunately.

I agree that those ruling were terrible but are you suggesting a few EOs making it easier to stay are immigration policy? Feels like changing tires on a car with a crappy engine.

 

Am I suggesting that the Biden administration's immigration policy is immigration policy? Yes, I am. The high numbers of apprehensions are driven in some part by the disastrous Trump policies Biden is being forced to keep.

The Republican Party is not going to work with us on beneficial immigration policy. They've made one of their talking points since Biden stepped into office attacking him on the border. Why would they give that up when it's so effective with their base? C'mon.

 

immigration is such a law issue because it's so unpopular across the political spectrum. Almost any reasonable individual knows that we need to come up with some form a comprehensive policy which includes some form a path to citizenship, or quote amnesty" as they call it. But it's political dynamite.

It's somewhat of a corollary to the argument that we should use a carbon tax and largely shut down fossil fuels. Perfectly sound argument, would be good governance. And it would be political suicide. We saw what the increase in gas prices did politically.

I don't have any good answers. It's not just here. And there are suggestions that binds a little more rigid on some immigration issues than an Obama administration would have been. But the bottom line is, the populace just hates immigration, at least in a significant enough percentage that there is no real political space for smart legislation. We hurt ourselves, but it's what the public demands.

 

It's cutting our noses off to spite our faces. Immigration is extremely beneficial for our country.

 

Looks like DeSantis found his inspiration for his immigrant stunt from American history and the White Citizens Councils. That tracks.

 

You guys are funny, where would you rather spend your tps, marthas vinyard or desantistan?

 

Great point. Why send some of the refugees to a Hampton Inn in the suburbs for $75 a night, when you can put them into a Chicago hotel for $300 a night. Also, less than half of the refugees were sent to the Hampton Inn which previously housed Afghan refugees.

 

So, what we have are legitimate asylum seekers— not even debatable under US law— being taken from Florida to Martha’s Vinyard as a statement against US immigration policy. There is no debate about these— they are legal and have legal status here. Just behavior by DeSantis to discourage immigrants from fleeing Venezuela. Since we can’t say it is a statement about illegal immigration, it is only a statement about legal immigration and the bigotry of the right against immigrants. We can take note that there have been none of the right wingers who defend DeSantis rushing in to defend him here, but they just can’t say this was wrong.

 

Apparently they were taken from Texas (to Florida and then to MV) on Florida's dime

 

So childish and effective at the same time.

 

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Martha’s Vineyard declares Humanitarian Crisis over 100 Illegals...

 

$8.8 billion given to Florida by the American Rescue Act and every Republican Representative and Senator from Florida voted against that. This fact needs to be brought up over and over and over to the public between now and election day.

 

If ever there was more of a sign that "illegal" is not used as a description of people breaking the law but rather of race/ethnicity/class, this is it. They are applying for asylum. That makes them legally in the US. So why did you call them "Illegals?"

 

sorry, the article didn't attatch.

 

Okay? Does the article explain why you think 100 people legally in the US are "illegals" or why you felt it necessary to attempt to link to somebody who does?

 

When I first saw this stunt, I first thought of the trump supporters on this site and their subsequent arousal.

 

I see all the politicians in these states that are being sent to crying when these people land on their doorstep but they don't seem to cry, when these people overwhelm the border states and towns. So, It's ok if they stay in Texas or Arizona but it's not ok if they end up in Chicago, Martha's Vineyard, DC or Philly? If these people are coming here, then they should be spread across the country not left in the border states. If Texas and Florida have to pay for them, then other states should "pay their fair share" as well.

I don't remember these cities sending money or aid to Texas, Arizona or Florida - did I miss that?

 

Well, yes, cities and states across the country send substantial federal tax money to border states (which, it should be noted, really doesn't include Florida) in the form of massive government spending on the massive boondoggle that is the entire immigration system (including holding up the economies of many border towns that rely on this spending to survive).

Two, immigrants generally disperse based upon market forces and issues like family location, rather than having big government choose where they should go. It is interesting how much of a fan you are of big government choosing the allocation of people across the country here.

 

she didn't cooperate and collaborate with the burgs she sent the people to

Gov. Greg Abbott, Chicago Mayor Lori Lightfoot feud over migrants | khou.com

"My frustration comes from the actions of the Governor of Texas. There could be a level of coordination and cooperation, but he chooses to do none of those things and instead tries to send human beings -- not cargo, not freight -- but human beings across the country to an uncertain destination and what the circumstances are here on the ground," Lightfoot said.

"We have yet to hear from anybody in an official capacity from Texas. That's unacceptable," Lightfoot said in a statement. "I think the decent, human thing to do is to cooperate and collaborate. Do the right thing and collaborate and cooperate instead of us having to guess, are they coming, are they not coming, how many, what are their needs?"