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Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by GatorNorth, Feb 25, 2020.

  1. gator95

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    No less impartial than MSNBC or the Washington Post. They judged
    States on a few different metrics. I get it doesn’t fit your narrative. Oh well, I’m sure the Post or msnbc has a Florida bad article you can post.
     
  2. QGator2414

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    What do you know. The state with the largest population that sees its typical surge in the summer compared to the winter has higher numbers.

    Let’s do the same for California.

    What do you know. February in 2021 California took the lead for the nation in Covid deaths. Passing New York.

    “California marked a grim milestone this week, as it surpassed New York for the highest number of COVID-19 deaths in the United States.”

    California COVID-19 deaths now highest in nation, with disproportionate impact on Latino community
     
  3. QGator2414

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    There are a few others that followed the day like DeSantis. But he is definitely the Gold Standard. Others do meet a similar standard.
     
  4. Gatorrick22

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    That's an non sequitur... Not going to answer it because it has nothing to do with this thread/subject.

    But read what they found out in a Harvard.


    Vaccine Narrative Collapses as Harvard Study Shows Jab More Dangerous than COVID
     
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  5. WarDamnGator

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    Ok, so remaining vaccine induce immunity is part of Denmarks plan for people under 50… according to your own quotes in the OP.
     
  6. philnotfil

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    I don't see anyone claiming California to be the Gold Standard in how to deal with the pandemic. The Gold Standards would be states like Utah and Washington.

     
  7. tilly

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    "I won't respond, but read my link"

    Sorry Rick. No can do. My question is valid. We accept that even preventative exercises contain risk.

    Give me a valid reason why THIS is different than all the others.
     
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  8. Gatorrick22

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    I will NOT respond to off thread questions... It's all part of the 'game' here. If you give me something on Covid deaths then I will respond. But this is NOT a thread about seat-belts. The Covid vaccine was FORCED/MANDATED by government. But they will try and slink away from that by blaming the agencies like NIH, CDC, FDA and then all thew threats to ban people from air travel, restaurants, public buildings and even from your JOB.

    But that's just part of the crime against humanity. After they released the plandemic upon the world they invented a dangerous concoction that cause long term dangers to everyone that took it. But then they mandated taking it while making sure that hospitals and clinics would not see anyone for elective surgery if they were not jabbed with that poison.

    Then they went even further on this "crusade" against the human race by taking proven drugs like Ivermectin and HCQ way from doctors that were prescribing it to their patients. CVS even made their pharmacists deny doctor prescribed Ivermectin to be sold to patients with LEGAL DOCTOR PRESCRIPTIONS FOR IT.

    The government took away everyone's human rights/freedoms in an attempt to get everyone to take their dangerous, and proven NOT TO PREVENT Covid-19 vaccine.

    Everyone went along with the plan in the U.S.A., but thank GOD for other countries of the world, and the internet. I suspected early on that this covid-19 vaccines that hastily rushed into production was dangerous.

    Now a Study from Harvard is the latest of many such studies that have confirmed my biggest concern for everyone that took that jab. It's more dangerous than Covid-19 itself. Oh, and Rendesivir (another "winner" from Pfizer) is a deadly kill shot that should be banned immediately...

    Now, Tilly, can you make your point about the dangers of the Covid-19 "vaccine" without referencing seat-belts?

    Vaccine Narrative Collapses as Harvard Study Shows Jab More Dangerous than COVID
     
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  9. mdgator05

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    Hmm, so you outright admit that it wasn't unbiased but complained about Google being biased when you didn't reveal the biases when you posted your source? BTW, I wouldn't take that question as an endorsement of the highly dubious claim that an explicit political pressure organization is not more biased than a standard media source.
     
  10. tilly

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    Rick. There are minimal dangers. I dont make an argument to the contrary. Singling it out in a world of risk/reward options makes no sense to me.

    My question is 100% relevent.

    It makes zero sense yo rip on this vax because of very rare side effects, but be fine with other exercises we do daily that are the same.

    You refusal to discuss similarities is a dodging of a valid point.
     
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  11. gator95

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    LOL. The study was the study. It wasn’t biased at all. Show the bias. You are complaining about who sponsored it. Should be easy, just prove the study is wrong and Florida wasn’t the best state according to the criteria listed. Otherwise it sounds like you just don’t like the results.
     
  12. mdgator05

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    Okay, so now it wasn't biased? It isn't who sponsored it, the document was produced by them. Also, it isn't a scientific study.

    Now in terms of showing bias, what are the weights of each component of their metric in forming their "combined score?" Florida was ranked 22nd in age-adjusted Covid death rates, 34th in age-adjusted excess deaths (suggesting either that they undercounted their Covid deaths or were more prone to other types of deaths during that time frame, after accounting for age, than other states), 15th in Unemployment, 14th in GDP change, and yet somehow got ranked 6th, because they were high in in-person schooling. So how much weight was put on that one metric compared to all of those other metrics, where they systematically performed worse than in their overall ranking? The decision to weight one metric that high is bias, regardless of whether you like the results or not.

    I mean, you want to get away from your own biases and emotions in analyzing bias, look at South Dakota. One of the worst states in the country for deaths. But they get an A for their response because their economy didn't collapse as they had huge numbers of deaths.
     
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  13. Gatorrick22

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    I will not play Russian Roulette with my life. You take your life in your hands when you take that jab.

    I hope that you and all our Gator friends here stay healthy and safe.
     
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  14. gator95

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    Go show me where it is biased. They showed their work. You can try to poke holes in it all you want but the data is the data. I get it, If I was for lockdowns and school closures than this data set would really make me upset. Oh well.
     
  15. BigCypressGator1981

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    Lol Rick. Bless your heart.
     
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  16. mdgator05

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    I just did. I didn't claim their underlying data was wrong, just that their metrics were biased and I explained how. Let me know if you have any questions as to why an ad-hoc metric utilizing an ad hoc set of variables without listed weights, it should be noted (they did not, in fact, show their work), and with no source of external validity, that just so happens to find exactly what the pressure group wants, is biased.
     
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  17. gator95

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    Your opinion. Thanks for confirming. I’ll go with their take. Florida best performing large state when taking everything into consideration regarding Covid.
     
  18. QGator2414

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    And?
     
  19. mdgator05

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    Those metrics are "everything?" There are no other metrics out there to judge the effectiveness of a pandemic response?
     
  20. QGator2414

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    Because California is not. They kept kids out of school and people from working and botched a whole lot things.