Duke volleyball player takes racist abuse at BYU- can’t be confirmed

BYU investigated and after numerous interviews and looking at a lot of cell phone video, there is no indication of any racial comments being made. But good ole Gator Lawyer finds a tweet with poor audio and assumes because some of the Duke girls looked in the stands, it must have be a racial taunt. Again, no one else in the arena heard it except the Duke players including some of the black BYU athletes sitting in the area.

The BYU coach has received death threats because of these unproven allegations. It is time to move on.

 

Yeah, I’ve noticed in some of these cases, GL doesn’t know when to to fold em.

 

I don't trust internal investigations.

 

Not a big fan of them either. But, there is far more here (& in on other topics) that support my arg. Hell, I didn't even know the accused had to prove shit.

 

There's no burden of persuasion in the court of public opinion. People form the opinions they're going to form, typically driven by their own biases. Yes, that includes me.

 

I've argued that there is nothing wrong with forming opinions based on limited info (jumping to conclusions). I started a thread on it! I think it is very normal. I def do it. But, you gotta update (formally known as Bayesian updating) as new info rolls in. You seem to be a poor updater of new info. You, somewhat like AR fans, seem to suffer badly from an anchoring effect.

 

Maybe so. I tend to stick to my guns when I have doubts about the new information.

 

I doubt that is true. If the org info was not to your liking, I bet you'd suffer from a recency effect as opposed to an anchoring effect. We all have biases...your's seem pretty strong IMO. IMO, you do seem to want this to be true which is no bueno to me.

 

I'm not sure how that would be on point in this sort of situation or in relation to my comment. Maybe you could offer an example?

Relative to the average poster on this board, I don't know about that. We've got election deniers, a guy who doesn't believe in viruses, the people with utterly insane COVID stances, etc.

 

haha. You just overweighted extreme data points. Do law students even study cognitive biases? the bolded = multiple fallacies.

 

I tend to give Black people the benefit of the doubt when they report racism. Why? Because I've seen too many others in my life not do that. In fact, it happened somewhat recently with a friend of mine. Racist white man threw a bunch of racial taunts at him and his group and threatened them. Local media reported on it.

I saw a bunch of awful white people write comments accusing him of making it up because there was no video. "Everybody has a cell phone these days. If it really happened, they would have recorded it." My friend is an extraordinarily accomplished person who has no reason to make this sort of thing up. It sickened me seeing that, but it didn't surprise me.

I see a situation like this, and I don't see a reason why this young lady would make it up. So it's not that I want it to be true in the abstract. It's that I can't see why she'd lie.

And maybe she didn't. Maybe she simply misheard what was said. But there are things that lend credence to her account. So I struggle with the idea that I should just disregard her account based on an internal investigation. Is that due to my biases (from my life experiences)? Sure.

 

Not in law school, no. Who is the median poster in terms of bias? LOL. I'm not saying it's crazy "viruses don't exist" guy, but there's a lot of polarization on this board.

 

You seem to want to put weight on everything EXCEPT the internal investigation. That investigation has 100s of auditors - some pro BYU, some neutral & some anti BYU. It is an internal investigation with a LOT of independent oversight. It literally will take one bad recording to screw BYU & BYU knows it*. Heck, you tried to throw shade at it via a twitter vid that was silly at best.

* that is putting a lot of shit on the line. FAR more than banning a racist fan.

 

Well thankfully a hoops coach across the country got to the bottom of it.

 

No chance her teammates would say anything to actually dispute her. The fact they havent echoed her claim is what is telling

 

Anyone with the info out there currently thinking this was a racist incident is either a race baiter or incredibly obtuse. No other factual way to look at it at this point.

 

Are we sure they haven't? This is the statement from the WCC (BYU's conference):

It says "members," not a member. This statement does ease many of my concerns about the BYU investigation, though.

 

“Stand Up, N-Words”: More Athletes Accuse Brigham Young University Crowd of Racism

Brigham Young University students have been implicated in yet another racial controversy, this time centering around a women’s soccer game. Five soccer players from a visiting team claimed that they were called racial slurs, including the N-word, at the school after they kneeled during the national anthem in 2021, according to a new report from The Guardian.

“I just remember that there was like a consistent chant of, ‘Stand up, N-words,’ during the anthem and right after,” said a player, who did not want to be identified.
She said BYU staff did not seem alarmed when they were alerted about what was happening.

“Backlash for kneeling was not new for our group but to hear that in person was shocking. I think both the fans and coaching staff knew we wouldn’t cancel the game after the incident, which once again shows this could be part of a bigger cultural issue within BYU as an institution.”

According to The Guardian, four other players supported their teammates’ claims and said they also heard the chants. A player who did not hear the racist remarks said the crowd was reminded how to act at a sporting event during an announcement.

‘Stand Up, N-Words’: More Athletes Accuse Brigham Young University Crowd of Racism


I’m guessing BYU will launch another internal investigation into yet another allegation of racism that ends with them claiming they found nothing.

 

I agree with that, but not everybody sitting there are racist. So why haven't any of them come forward

 

Very true just like many other humans