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War in Ukraine

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by PITBOSS, Jan 21, 2022.

  1. duggers_dad

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    According to Ukrainian sources Russia lost .05% of its equipment whereas Ukraine lost 40% of theirs.

    Overall, Atlantic Council says Ukraine’s military has been degraded by 71%. And I believe that was a month ago.
     
  2. duggers_dad

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    I live in Charlotte, NC. But that doesn’t mean I have to root for the Panthers.
     
  3. duggers_dad

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    Remember when Zelensky fired the chick who fabricated the narrative about Russia mass-raping babies. Apparently that was a bridge too far even for the coke-addled regime that brought us the Ghost of Kyiv, the myth of the Snake Island martyrs, the half of Russian troops frostbitten, twenty Russian generals killed, Russians trying to melt down nuclear power plants ...

    Worse, mainstream media reported all these as if factual.
     
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  4. studegator

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    Will the U.S. Abandon Ukraine? It Could Happen.

    “In a little over a week, Ukrainian forces retook Izyum and dozens more occupied towns in a lightning offensive that shocked Western and Ukrainian officials with its speed, carrying almost all the way to the border, and sending Russian troops and pro-Russian separatist forces fleeing for their lives.”Foreign Policy

    Vladimir Putin certainly thinks so. He may be counting on it.
    Of course, this may be another one of his epic miscalculations, but his hope is not baseless.
    Consider this report from Defense One:
     
  5. duggers_dad

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    I’d like to hope the Neocons, having lost proxy war after proxy war, are losing their taste for all their warring. But I’m afraid they have no off-ramp.

    On the bright side, it is possible that the more moderate elements may prevail. And as I mentioned earlier, it is possible, I suppose, to shield the American public from the psychological effects of a crushing proxy war loss.
     
  6. coleg

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    A few more of these glorious Russian victories and Ukraine will be partying in Crimea again.
     
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  7. duggers_dad

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    Ukraine seems to be more effective when advancing into areas where there are no Russian troops.
     
  8. oragator1

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    while Europe could and should be doing more and we certainly have fiscal problems to worry about, the cost benefit on these funds is tremendous. Imagine spending 100 billion in total, 2 or 3 percent of 1 years spending roughly, and without having to lose a single US soldier, we can basically take down one of our two biggest geopolitical foes, and maybe even reset the world order further away from China.
    It’s one of the best bargains we’ve ever had. To oppose it is crazy IMO.
     
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  9. duggers_dad

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    My wife and I went to our favorite restaurant last week. For the first time ever there was an empty parking space up front. So we brazenly occupied it, taking fully 2% of the parking lot. It was a glorious victory for us and an ignominious defeat for the restaurant.
     
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    Not going down the entire list but as one example nobody suggested that the Russians were trying to meltdown nuclear power plants. What commentators did suggest was that Russian shelling in the vicinity of nuclear power plants or Russians using a nuclear plant as a refuge had the potential to cause a disaster.
    To refresh your memory.
    Shelling resumes near Ukraine nuclear plant, despite risks
     
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  11. duggers_dad

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    The Ukrainian government whined loud and long about the it. Ironically, they proceeded to shell the plant themselves.
     
  12. uftaipan

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    I suppose it’s possible. I was surprised and confused, as I’ve said, how little President Biden was prepared to do at first (other than offer words) and the degree to which Congress and our allies had to pressure him to do some fairly obvious things. The calculus is at least partially political: the American people won’t accept doing any less than we are doing. After the mid-terms, the political cost of abandoning Ukraine goes way down. Hopefully, we will weigh that against the moral and long-term national security costs of taking our boot off Russia’s throat.
     
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    At last check, by a margin of six to four, Americans were dedicated to fight Russia, to the last dead Ukrainian, even if it creates financial hardships for their families. America is ill. And it ain’t Long Covid.
     
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    I don’t want fight to the last dead Ukrainian; it defeats the point of our support. And I concede that fighting to the last dead Russian is not practical. So I’ll settle for the grand compromise of fighting to the last dead Russian in Ukraine. Seems like we are getting closer to that objective.
     
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    Six months of frenzied US-NATO training and billions of dollars of weaponry went into equipping 30,000 Ukrainian troops for disparate counter-offensives, half to go to Kherson, where they were annihilated, the other half to Kharkiv where they have stalled and are presently being chewed apart.
     
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    Yeah, bro, your clinging on to this fiction has stopped being cute and is just getting sad. The evidence of overwhelming Ukrainian operational victory, including video footage, is just too much to overlook at this point. Even Russia is admitting it has a problem. If you honestly can’t see the truth for yourself, then I’m afraid your judgement is beyond repair.
     
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    Being chewed apart?
    Amid Ukraine’s startling gains, liberated villages describe Russian troops dropping rifles and fleeing
    Lightning Ukraine offensive pushes Russia back 70km in a week
    By the way is your day job writing press releases for Vladimir Putin or writing "stories" for Russia Today or Sputnik News?
     
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  18. uftaipan

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    I already linked that same article. You aren’t going to have the effect you’re looking for. Sometimes the will to disbelieve can take on an almost religious faith that no evidence can dissuade. You will have more luck explaining radiometric dating to a Young Earth Creationist than the operational realities in Ukraine to this guy.
     
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  19. PITBOSS

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    link?
     
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