Helluva speech by President Biden

What's 'your' democracy? Trump being president despite losing the election?

 

I just blocked 2 of the people on this thread. I urge the 2 of you to seek out professional help.

 

I have now blocked 28 posters, but they keep multiplying.

 

do you fit into any of these groups?

refuse to accept the results of a free election or support those that would allow elected officials to throw out duly casted ballots in order to sway an election

promote authoritarian leaders and/or promote political violence and threats/intimidation as a valid political tool

view the insurrectionists as freedom fighters that should not be sent to jail.

view elections where your candidate doesn't win as rigged?

 

Trump's Jan 7 speech. The closest he ever came to conceding. But did he say the election was over? No. It was in the original script, but Trump changed it. Along with a lot of other things. Not to mention the other lie, that Trump immediately sent in the National Guard on Jan 6. Trump did nothing of the sort. He waited three hours, and eventually, Pence called for the NG.

And while you can expect the loser of a close election to feel disappointed, and lash out, there is nothing on the D side that equals Trump. Heck, just last week, Trump called to be reinstated as POTUS. Almost a full two years after losing! In contrast, can you find anything after the SCOTUS case was decided with Gore publicly calling for the election to be overturned? No. As a W. Bush appointed Judge put it, Gore was a man about losing, and after the case was decided, never really publicly commented on it at all.

 

no. but if you promote violence or threats and intimidation to further those beliefs you are a threat

 

We each share the democracy outlined in the Constitution. Are you attacking someone for being inclusive?

 

are there two different democracies now? as far as I know, there is only one. Majority rule with minority protections. please enlighten me as to the other option that you would prefer

 

"policy disagreements"!? What a disingenuous characterization of those particular issues. Both issues involved established rights being taken away. Rights.

You may not think the taking away rights by a regressive minority is a threat to the Republic, but some of us do. Maybe your tune would change if what was threatened was a right you currently enjoy. Like your vote counting.

 

I accept the election results and I do not support throwing out duly casted ballots (as was attempted on January 6th) in order to sway an election.

Promote authoritarian leaders? By whose definition? Does this mean anybody who supports Trump or DeSantis is lumped in here?

I'd say Biden has centralized power to the Executive Branch more than Trump did. That's authoritarian. Democrats enabled riots during the Summer of 2020. They claim silence is violence and shout things like "no justice, no peace." That sounds like supporting political violence and threats/intimidation as a valid political tool.

They are absolutely not freedom fighters. They are jackasses who need to be made an example of. They need to be put in jail.

Absolutely not. I think Trump lost.

But again, Democrats thought the 2000 election was rigged, and they thought that the Russians basically stole the 2016 election from Clinton.

 

Trump said that "a new President will be inaugurated." He said his focus shifted to a "smooth orderly and seamless transition of power."

Gore said in an Inconvenient Truth, which was from 2006, that he should be President of the United States.

He's basically been sour grapes ever since.

 

Gay marriage was decided two seconds ago on scanty grounds. And abortion takes away the right to life of the unborn.

They are policy disagreements. You just don't like calling them that, because then you get to cudgel people through the power of the Supreme Court, rather than duly elected officials, ironically undemocratic.

Thank you for being honest. If one believes that abortion is not and should not be a Constitutional right... and one has the same belief of same sex marriage, in your eyes, that person is a "threat to the Republic."

That is an incredibly divisive, undemocratic, and perhaps even fascistic way of thinking.

 

Are you willing to commit violence to prevent gay marriage and abortion?

 

Of course not.

 

Did Trump ever say the election was over? No. He deleted that from the speech. Has Trump ever, in a speech, publicly stated he lost and Biden won like Gore did? Again, no.

As for Gore, can you point out in "Inconvenient Truth" the moment he said the election was stolen from him? From what I remember, Gore was upset he lost, and upset that he didn't get the chance to set a more environmentally friendly agenda as POTUS. But Gore never stated the election outcome was criminal, and he actually won the election. There's a difference between lamenting a loss, and saying the loss only happened because of fraud, and should be overturned.

 

Then Biden wasn't saying you are a threat to our country. Why are you so desparate to be lumped in with those who are willing to commit violence over policy disagreements?

 

Both were established rights. Full stop.

Bullshit. We enjoy the benefit of many unenumerated rights. A minority faction taking those rights away is as undemocratic as possible.

71% percent of people support same sex marriage. So the other 29% of people can deny a current freedom on religious grounds? So democratic.

Interstate travel is not a right in the Constitution. Would you be upset if voters decided you couldn't leave your state of residence? Again... unenumerated rights.

Among other things, you don't seem to know the meaning of fascism. It's laughable.

To the other posters on this thread... is what I'm saying fascist?

 

I can't get the actual movie here, but he didn't use those words exactly. He said something to the degree of "I'm the man who should be the current President of the United States."

As far as when he said it, I believe it was when he introduced himself, must have been within the first ten minutes of the film.

 

Having 5-9 unelected justices decide what policy should and shouldn't be is the epitome of undemocratic.

There's that echo chamber again.

 

It seems odd that so many on the right have such big issues with Biden's speech.

Some of the same folks drive around with "F... your feelings" bumper stickers and/or call liberals "snowflakes. Seems a wee bit hypocritical.