Helluva speech by President Biden

Yeah because dorks like you want to legislate against people's right to abortion and gay marriage. Why don't you just STFU and let people be? Then people would leave you and your way of life alone.

 

Why don't you leave fetuses alone?

Why don't you actually respect federalism and stop calling to turn every policy position you like into a "Constitutional right."

For the record, I actually support gay marriage. I just hate the stigmatization of traditional religious beliefs as though those people are evil or should be ashamed.

 

If you don't care about what Joe Biden said about you why are you whining so much about his speech? And when you say 'us' does that mean you are a MAGA who believes the election was stolen even though it is completely obvious it was not stolen? Do you think Trump should be our president even though he clearly lost the election? If so, yes, I do despise you for wanting to end our democracy and end our country. How could I not?

 

There may be 100 posts at this point indicating that I think Biden won the election. Problem is Biden seems have a broader standard of people who are a threat to democracy.

 

Not really. It's pretty clear who he is talking about.

 

Then why’d he bring up abortion and gay marriage in the same breath?

 

Because those are things MAGA people want to ban.

 

Does the mere fact that they disagree with them make them “a threat to democracy?” Yes or no?

 

No. What makes them a threat to democracy is that they are actively seeking to disregard the outcome of elections that they lose.

 

Thank you.

Now I wish Democrats would remember Al Gore, Hillary Clinton, and Stacey Abrams and be consistent… but hey… I know I’m asking too much.

 

You mean Al Gore:



Hillary Clinton:



And Stacey Abrams:



I'll grant you Abrams' speech was not a traditional concession. But it's better than anything Trump has given.

Know what else is missing? Thousands of Abrams flag waving idiots descending on the GA Capitol building demanding she had won the election.

Want to know why Biden mentioned abortion and gay rights? Because Trump is a fascists, and fascist don't believe the minority deserves rights. First, he would come for women and LGBTQ members. Then, there would be another minority target, and then another...

 

I get your point. It’s not unfair for purposes of discussion. Don’t want to type out my thoughts on every example but I think 2020 was unique.

I think January 6th would only be arguably comparable to the 2000 election, for example, if hundreds or thousands of people with Al Gore signs had stormed the U.S. Supreme Court, broken in, beat up law enforcement, threatened the justices, etc., and Gore waited as long as Trump to even ask people to go home.

Gore supporters didn’t do that. And Al Gore conceded publicly on tv - that he would accept the Court’s 5-4 ruling. And Gore wasn’t even the CIC with all the power that entails. Then, if Gore promised pardons to the criminals and continued riling people up until 2004, that would be closer. There are just so many differences.

For the record, I had no problem with Trump filing any lawsuits that had a basis in fact or law (although every one I looked at did not from what I could tell). But they were making up numbers about dead voters, etc. it was all nonsense, and they knew it. Even Barr said so.

I just don’t see these as remotely comparable. Trump is uniquely dangerous IMO. But I don’t put you or my family members who voted for him in the same camp as those who wanted to overturn the election by force or intimidation.

 

None of those situations are even close to Trump/MAGA. That you think so just shows how deluded you are.

 

If someone thinks the election was stolen and actively worked to subvert it they are a traitor. If they just believe it was stolen that just makes them uninformed or gullible.

 

Nah. For every Trump droogie in the country, there are 2.5 people who want him to go away. This is being proven everyday as candidates that leaned heavily into his BS in the GQP primaries scrub all that information from their bios for the general elections.

 

Yesterday, the GOP Senate candidate in Washington state was asked by Dana Bash twice whether Joe Biden was legitimately elected as president. The first time she answered that “Biden is the lawfully elected president.” The second time Basg said, “I will give you another chance to answer the question.” Same answer. Would not say the election was “legitimate.” Only that the presidency is “lawful.” As if the certification of the votes 1-6 was legal process that created an illegitimate presidency. Another exhibit of the danger to the democracy posed by the MAGA candidates. The same ones who call Biden a dictator. Just like this thread. If you call them out, you are a “divider.” Well, patiently explains that the election was legitimate isn’t going to work because they know it was legitimate and still refuse to publicly acknowledge it. What do you call people who subvert fair and legitimate elections to remain in power? The supporters of s Dictator. There is nothing to unite with. Those values are not American.

 

The red background was because the building was lit up with the colored of the flag. You don’t like the flag?

 

The Atlantic maybe nails it? Joe Biden’s speech wasn’t to rally Americans. It was to bait Trump into making this election about him and he took the bait. Remember he has lost every election since 2016.

Trump’s wacko speech this weekend was everything Biden was looking for to take eyes off of gas prices and inflation.

Biden Laid the Trap. Trump Walked Into It.

For the 2022 election cycle, smart Republicans had a clear and simple plan: Don’t let the election be about Trump. Make it about gas prices, or crime, or the border, or race, or sex education, or anything—anything but Trump. Trump lost the popular vote in 2016. He lost control of the House in 2018. He lost the presidency in 2020. He lost both Senate seats in Georgia in 2021. Republicans had good reason to dread the havoc he’d create if he joined the fight in 2022.

One of the purposes of Biden’s Philadelphia attack on Trump’s faction within the Republican Party was surely to goad Trump. It worked.

Yesterday, in Wilkes-Barre, Pennsylvania, Trump addressed a rally supposedly in support of Republican candidates in the state: Mehmet Oz for the Senate; the January 6 apologist Doug Mastriano for governor. This was not Trump’s first 2022 rally speech. He spoke in Arizona in July. But this one was different: so extreme, strident, and ugly—and so obviously provoked by Biden’s speech that this was what led local news: “Donald Trump Blasts Philadelphia, President Biden During Rally for Doug Mastriano, Dr. Oz in Wilkes-Barre.”

Yes, you read that right: Campaigning in Pennsylvania, the ex-president denounced the state’s largest city. “I think Philadelphia was a great choice to make this speech of hatred and anger. [Biden’s] speech was hatred and anger,” Trump declared last night. “Last year, the city set an all-time murder record with 560 homicides, and it’s on track to shatter that record again in 2022. Numbers that nobody’s ever seen other than in some other Democrat-run cities.”

 

The definition is in the first quote. And, there is no unity with people who continue to spread the election lie to delegitimize the election. It is a movement that needs to be called out and it’s supporters need to be marginalized. It’s representatives need to be divided. We have nothing in common sort those who pursue dictatorship. You claim you don’t believe the election was stolen and then do your Usual jic of tying yourself in knots which demonstrated your true perspective. At this point, we all know that no one except an idiot believes the election was stolen. Those who still complain about it are really just using code for trying to take of keep power when they lose. That isn’t America and, at this point, no unite is possible.