Helluva speech by President Biden

That's the case carpeveritas is making. Everyone who voted against Biden and Clinton apparently sold their souls to regressive isolationism and have to defend MAGA to their death. Yay.

Even those single issue voters like the pro-lifers. And life-long party members. And the people that that simply thought Hillary was a bitch or Biden too old. Etc.

 

Walker didn’t have a stroke. His limitations are because he is not smart or articulate. Fetterman has sequella from his stroke. Then again, so did Roosevelt. From a stroke and polio. Another garbage whataboutism. And Oz is a MAGA Trumper.

 

Certainly many, many Republicans and folks who voted for Trump in 2016 and 2020 disagree with what happened on January 6th. But the concerning thing to me is that Trump is still the party's leader and 2024 front-runner while out there attacking judges and saying he's going to issue pardons if he gets back in the White House - at least to many of those who have been convicted. Despite everything we know now, about half the GOP apparently still wants Trump to lead the country again.

Trump vows pardons, government apology to Capitol rioters if elected

 

I already did in a previous post #229.

 

Nope. Not the same. As bad as your comparison to Hitler. The speech was about what you started a thread about— election denial and subversion of democratic process and the right to vote. That is what Biden addressed.

 

How was it unconstitutional?

How was it totaliteristic (sic) given Congress must approve the HR2034 bill?

How is the debt forgiveness limited to "his supporters"?

Where do you get your "news"?

 

Well this guy got it, how come so many libs didn't??

 

You seem to categorizing people as MAGA Republicans that Biden doesn't.

I read those sections as Biden presenting his definition of who he considers to be MAGA Republicans, not as saying everyone who is a Republican fits those definitions.

 

you don’t like constitution hall? You don’t like lights?
Your comparisons or SS rallies are despicable. Sickening. Repulsive. How dare you equate Biden to what the SS was and did. Shame on you. There is no nice way to say it. You should delete your posts and apologize. You demean and diminish the deaths of every Jew, Gypsie or gay person by your behavior. You evidently are profoundly ignorant of what the SS did. I am Jewish and you have offended me and every Jewish poster here. And every poster here with an ounce of sensibility.

 

If you think insurrection, threats of political violence and undermining elections by a group of Americans is bad, you should have no problem with the President informing the people of the threat.

Do you think any of those things are bad?

 

It doesn't matter if the intent is sinister, it matters what it looks like. That's entirely the whole point. Referring to regular American citizens as enemies of the country is in fact exactly Hitleresque.

 

Not all 73 million were MAGA. And the election denying lie and follow up cake after they vote. Who knows how many? It isn’t the number, it is the movement that he called out.

 

Your comparison is disgusting.you must not belong to a people that Hitler targeted.

 

Well, he mentioned none of those things, so there's that.

 

What a load of horse dung.

He did not "literally" call 1/2 the nation fascists and terrorists, you may want to look that word up if you don't know the literal meaning of literal. Here is the transcript, you can search for yourself and you will see neither of those words were used even once. Full Transcript of President Biden’s Speech in Philadelphia

Regarding 1/2, he said this, "Now, I want to be very clear, very clear up front. Not every Republican, not even the majority of Republicans, are MAGA Republicans. Not every Republican embraces their extreme ideology. I know, because I’ve been able to work with these mainstream Republicans." He is 100% correct, there is a portion of the GOP that is being dominated by the MAGA crowd.

And regarding your obvious desire to let violence settle this, he says clearly, "We, the people, will not let anyone or anything tear us apart. Today, there are dangers around us we cannot allow to prevail. We hear — you’ve heard it, more and more talk about violence as an acceptable political tool in this country. It’s not. It can never be an acceptable tool. So, I want to say this plain and simple: There is no place for political violence in America, period, none, ever."

You need to take a moment and reflect on what you are saying. This speech is clearly not intended for you if you proudly call yourself a MAGA republican.

 

Biden defined it in his speech last night. You should have listened. And I and others posted above what Biden said.

 

So you never heard Trump talk about the "radical left", the "extremist left" ... such selective hearing you must have.

 

Horse hockey. He mentioned all three of those things. From the transcript (emphasis mine):

"MAGA forces are determined to take this country backwards, backwards to an America where there is no right to choose, no right to privacy, no right to contraception, no right to marry who you love. They promote authoritarian leaders, and they fanned the flames of political violence that are a threat to our personal rights, to the pursuit of justice, to the rule of law, to the very soul of this country.

They look at the mob that stormed the United States Capitol on Jan. 6, brutally attacking law enforcement, not as insurrectionists who placed a dagger at the throat of our democracy, but they look at them as patriots. And they see their MAGA failure to stop a peaceful transfer of power after the 2020 election as preparation for the 2022 and 2024 elections.

They tried everything last time to nullify the votes of 81 million people. This time, they’re determined to succeed in thwarting the will of the people. That’s why respected conservatives like Federal Circuit Court Judge Michael Luttig has called Trump and the extreme MAGA Republicans “a clear and present danger” to our democracy."

 

My guess at part of the reason for calling out MAGA specifically was a significant portion of the movement uses the threat of violence as a reason to not be accountable for their actions. This includes sitting members of congress, Graham in particular, and the grand poo bah himself.

There is discretion as to whether to indict or not over Mar a lago. That would be opinion which everyone is entitled to. We are not entitled to making up our own facts which has become clear. Trump clearly possessed documents of a level that is illegal. DOJ is going by the book regardless of who it is. As far as it being unprecedented, well, prior presidents haven’t had the blatant disregard for laws .

 

There's nothing regular about people who break into the Capitol, severely injure cops, try to shoot up an FBI office, threaten election officials until they quit or stand on Florida overpasses with swastika flags.