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Is It Truly Time to put Party over Country?

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by cflgator83, Sep 2, 2022.

  1. PITBOSS

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    Unh uh. Your posts talk of war, civil war how your side has more guns, how the white man is mistreated, so much hatred for half the country and overall seem very angry. this isn’t the type of a candidate that a corporation promotes into positions of leadership or more influence.
     
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  2. RIP

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    "War against white people"

    lol

    I have to agree. It's a battle zone out there for pasty whites like me.
     
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  3. AzCatFan

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    It's one thing to love your county. I own several USMNT jerseys and will proudly be wearing them this November during the World Cup. Can't wait until 2026.

    It's another to be a fascist nationalist. De Toquiville called us the shining city on the hill because the US created a Constitutional Democracy where majority rules, but minorities still keep their rights. Nationalism is incompatible with a Constitutional Democracy.

    Fascist Nationalism is a belief you are superior. And the majority will agree. It's not just your race, but everything, including political opinions. If yours is superior, than those that don't agree with you, or look like you are inferior. So much so that the other's ideas don't even deserve to see the light of day!

    This belief leads to the minority to start losing their rights when the fascists have power. The fascists believe it impossible for their ideas to be wrong, so they use force to insure they can't be wrong. This includes limiting minority voices and votes. And if/when things don't go the fascists' way, they cry foul or fraud.

    The MAGAs already put party over country. It's what fascists do. If you believe that fascist nationalists should be stopped, then you are applauding Biden's speech last night. If you're a fascist, you find it unfathomable that someone with what you consider a minority opinion has power, and you're ready to take up arms to get what you rightfully believe you deserve, and was stolen from you last election.
     
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  4. jjgator55

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    I fully confess that I have absolutely no problem with white men having to compete for jobs by proving they are the best and most qualified to do the job.
     
  5. orangeblue_coop

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    Biden respects democracy. Trump would've encouraged the crowd to savagely beat the heckler's ass.
     
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  6. GatorRade

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    I keep coming back to the concept of identity. If good conservatives view themselves as MAGA Republicans, Biden’s words against “MAGA Republicans” would have likely and understandably been taken as a personal insult, even if he meant to differentiate these two groups. We know it’s likely that good conservatives are among Trump supporters due to his high popularity among registered Republicans. Therefore, I can understand this criticism, and this is I think partly Biden’s doing, not doing a better job making his intended audience more clear.

    I do believe Biden had the “right” message in his mind protecting our democratic institutions and the juggling act of which I speak is truly a challenge, so I certainly won’t pile on the guy. On the hand, I’m not surprised by the negative response by some on the other side.
     
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  7. jjgator55

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    You’re right, Trump is a leader.[​IMG]
     
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  8. Orange_and_Bluke

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    I hear what you’re trying to say.
    But as a no trump guy here, I believe Biden is in the wrong. Nothing unifying about the message at all.
    Somebody, someday has to read off script and think of something vague enough that the majority of Americans can get behind.
     
  9. GatorRade

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    Truthfully, I didn’t watch or read the speech - Just reading the tea leaves on this thread - so I can defend or attack his speech too confidently.

    That said, someone quoted him saying something like we are not a violent nation and we stand for democracy. I would assume you and I both agree with this, so here we likely see his intention as good.

    He also seems to have said something like the problem is MAGA republicans. Here, we probably both see him at least using the wrong words or worse possibly having bad intentions. If he means only violent extremists that want to end elections, then they are the wrong words. If he means all republicans that voted for Trump, then his intentions are bad.

    For unification, you need not only the right message but also the right words. Psychologist Jonathan Haidt’s metaphor for our mind is an elephant and a rider, where the elephant is our emotions and the rider is the logical part of our mind. We think the rider is in control using the reigns to steer the elephant, but if you really want someone to listen to you, you first must talk to their elephant. Biden doesn’t appear to have done a good job here, which is I think why you’re seeing the speech as divisive. And even by my definition, you’d be correct, even if we agreed his intent was wholly good.
     
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  10. WarDamnGator

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    After 7 years of Trump ... You think Republicans want vague messages that everyone can get behind?
     
  11. Orange_and_Bluke

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    Probably not. But something innocuous wouldn’t be so bad.
     
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  12. danmanne65

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    You are trolling? Right? What war on the middle of the country? What war on Christianity, what war on straight whit makes? If you believe this, I suggest mental counseling.
     
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  13. danmanne65

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    I think Fuhrer is a better term then leader.
     
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  14. danmanne65

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    The sun has been at war against me and my kind all my life. I burn in about an hour with an spf 50.
     
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  15. GatorRade

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    Forward Party
     
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  16. danmanne65

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    I think if you are a Republican who thinks Biden didn’t legitimately win then you are a poor excuse for a human being. Maybe that’s what he meant by MAGAs.
     
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  17. Trickster

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    There's not an accurate statement in your post, and I can't begin to understand where you come up with them. It saddens me that you have so completely misunderstood what democrats - the left as you like to call them - have stood for for many generations, and who have played a key role, along with republicans, in shaping this country.

    There's much more I could say, but I see no point. I would ask this, though: name a single policy enacted by republicans in the last 20 years which was aimed at benefiting the middle class and average working men and women? Do I demonize republicans because I disagree with their policies? No.
     
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  18. swampbabe

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    I wouldn't use the "tea leaves" of this thread for any definitive understanding of the speech. You admit that you didn't watch it or read it. It would behoove you to do so if you are interested in what was actually said.
     
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  19. cflgator83

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    And yet where did I say that. That's not what corporations do now. They will hire a minority who is significantly LESS quality over many white people, especially white men. So we haven't changed discriminatory hiring practices, we've just changed who we discriminate against? So tell me again, why should a white person have to be significant more qualified as a candidate to even have a (not guaranteed) chance? Why shouldn't it be the most qualified to do the job? I wish they would simply pick the most qualified. I would've easily gotten several jobs in the past over less qualified individuals with far less position / industry experience.
     
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  20. channingcrowderhungry

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    I agree with you, but I don't see what the message could possibly be when a large chunk of the population doesn't live in the same reality as the rest of us. And I mean that lovingly. I'd love to bring everyone back into a nice functioning country/government. But I don't see the path as is. It's like trying to rationalize with a junkie, if you've ever had to do that. Sadly, I have multiple times with multiple people. Nothing will work until they decide its time.
     
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