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Why are scientists from Brazil not considered experts by the left

 

You apparently misread my post. The scientists from Brazil in the study I cited actually found the Ivermectin to be ineffective. My point was studies involving an anti-parasitic drug in countries in which parasitic infestation is endemic are not comparable to the situation in countries in which parasitic infestation is extremely rare. For patients with both parasitic infestations and Covid-19, treatment of the infestation would very likely also improve the outcome for the Covid-19.

 

Heart Inflammation Risk for Young Men Higher After Vaccination Than After COVID-19: Study (theepochtimes.com)

The risk of heart inflammation is higher for men as old as 39 after Moderna COVID-19 vaccination than after COVID-19 infection, according to a new study.

Researchers in England analyzed hospital admissions with myocarditis, a form of health inflammation, among the vaccinated between Dec. 1, 2020, and Dec. 15, 2021.
Researchers also estimated that a first dose of Pfizer’s vaccine led to four additional myocarditis events per million, and that a first dose of Moderna’s vaccine led to 14 additional myocarditis cases per million, in the males younger than 40. A second dose of Pfizer’s vaccine was associated with 14 additional myocarditis events per million in the age group.

Both the Moderna and Pfizer vaccines have long been associated with heart inflammation, but Moderna’s has been linked with much higher rates.

Moderna and Pfizer did not respond to requests for comment.

“Vaccine-associated myocarditis was largely restricted to men younger than 40 years with 1 exception; both younger men and women were at increased risk of myocarditis after a second dose of mRNA-1273,” the trade name for Moderna’s vaccine, the researchers said.

The study was published by the American Heart Association (pdf) in its journal Circulation.

 

What poster fails to mention is " Conclusions: Overall, the risk of myocarditis is greater after SARS-CoV-2 infection than after COVID-19 vaccination and remains modest after sequential doses including a booster dose of BNT162b2 mRNA vaccine." Risk of Myocarditis After Sequential Doses of COVID-19 Vaccine and SARS-CoV-2 Infection by Age and Sex - PubMedSo it is obvious that if myocarditis is your major concern, then get vaccinated. Epoch Times?... garbage in= garbage out. Be better.

 

There is no way this bivalent shot should be EUA. Especially for young healthy people. Unbelievable there will be institutions of higher learning that mandate these shots…

 

As of now, I am glad both my wife and I had our shots and booster shots.
I had Covid before the shots were available, and did not have to go to the hospital, and my wife has had it twice, once after having the shots. Many of her co-workers have recently contracted it after having the shots. My younger brother, who had not been vaccinated because he was "anti vax" passed away while in the hospital with Covid.
Having told you that, I do not believe in forcing anyone into getting them. If they choose the risk, then they will have to live or die by their choice.

 

Shocking...

This is a result of our Response to covid, not covid itself. This and the economy should be what Rep's run on in 2022. Anyone who had schools closed and mask mandates needs to be voted out.

 

Things like this is exactly what I have been harping about. I totally get going to the extreme to combat an issue that is new and which science has only began figuring out. But as knowledge and awareness changes, our leaders, the ones making up the rules, should change their stance as well and explain why the change.
We stayed locked in way too long and it just confused the situation causing divisions in our society. There is nothing wrong with admitting we did not know all the answers, if anything it makes one stronger.

 

It is infuriating how little the covidians on this board care about those with the least. While their kids and grandkids likely had/have the means to navigate a lockdown with minimal damage. So many others do not. I want to believe it is ignorance. But a few are clearly self centered authoritarians. Yes I know that is not going to help the situation with the way a few ignorantly think of me. But a spade is a spade. And maybe. Just maybe they will reflect, understand and begin to learn how bad the damage is they helped perpetuate and continue to help perpetuate.

 

It's infuriating how much hindsight some people have on this board. How they forget that COVID was a NOVEL virus, meaning new, and the entire world was navigating through something that we had zero experience dealing with. All we had was past experience with other epidemics and pandemics, with the last pandemic being over 100 years before COVID. To expect zero mistakes while handling any pandemic is stupid. With a novel virus? Never going to happen. Any many, including myself, understood and agreed with being overly cautious, especially when COVID shot up quickly to being the third leading cause of death in he world. Let's not forget this fact too.

Speaking of forgetting, there's another side of the coin when it comes to having kids in school, that is extremely important. They are called teachers. Kids in schools without teachers is worthless. There are currently over 565,000 less teachers today than pre-pandemic, and more than half of the current teachers are considering quitting. The number 1 reason they want to quit? They cite poor COVID responses by their respective schools and districts.

Educators widely pointed to Covid — and to insufficient actions taken by their schools to combat it — as the reason behind their increased disillusionment with their jobs.

For example, only 38 percent of respondents said their schools had improved ventilation during the pandemic, and just 28 percent said they felt their school’s ventilation systems provided enough protection to help combat the spread of Covid.

School districts in states across the U.S. faced substantial teacher shortages even before the pandemic, particularly in areas like math, science and special education. But the shortages have grown over the last two years as an increasing number of educators leave the profession due the substantial stress and potential safety hazards the pandemic introduced into the classroom.

As of Tuesday, there were currently 567,000 fewer educators in public schools in the U.S. than there were before the pandemic, according to an NEA analysis of Bureau of Labor Statistics data.
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Teachers aren't slaves. During the start of the pandemic in this country, and through the height before we had a vaccine, it's unlikely that there would have been enough teachers to keep all schools open. And maybe you think you could have forced teachers to work, but then you become the authoritarian.

We have a teacher issue that existed before the pandemic. The pandemic only made it worse.

 

Ah the revisionist history of some. We know Europe opened most of their schools and most never had mask requirements for young kids. But some charlatans on this board will never admit they were wrong. It's great because deep down they know they were wrong but are too conceited to admit it.

 

Revisionist history? Look in the mirror. Look at this link, change the date to anything in Jan, 2020, and tell me which countries didn't have school restrictions. Europe did open schools a little earlier than the US, but the pandemic also hit these countries months before the virus became a major issue here in the states. It's not shocking that our response to reopen schools lagged in a similar time frame.

You are also wrong about mask mandates in European schools. Many countries had them, and still have them in areas with high transmission of the virus. Or in classrooms where not everyone is vaccinated, which is the policy in Italy. In Germany, masks are for kids 6 and older, which would translate to 1st grade and higher, and a recent study in the country has shown mask wearing does reduce COVID transmission in classrooms.

 

So many ignored the data and allowed the tyrant authoritarians to peddle the propaganda like this. We knew from very early in this disease and it’s risk gradient. We chose to go scorched earth authoritarian instead of focus on who is in danger.

Spare me the argument teachers are not essential. Especially when they are typically in the low risk group. No one is saying a high risk person should not have taken precautions. But we caused generational damage with unnecessary fear like this.

 

Do you need the dictionary definition of novel?

new and not resembling something formerly known or used
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How can we know a disease's risk gradient early on when the virus was new and not resembling something formerly known? The early data was often contradictory, because we didn't know how the virus would act, and what variables were the most important. Remember this from Israel? Schools closed because of quick viral spread among teachers and students. Now we know the classrooms had poor ventilation, and there was little to no contact tracing. But back in June, 2020, we didn't know this. Because everything was novel.

And your world where only high risk people take precautions cannot exist. How do you take care of high risk people who can't take care of themselves? Isolate all the low risk people who take care of high risk people too? So what do you do with the single parent who has a job of taking care of the elderly? Tell them to quit? Or leave their kid(s) alone?

 

What are you talking about. There was no justification for the policy put in place. Your bubble wrap everything world is what caused this. It was unnecessary. It is concerning you would do it all over again it appears.

Let’s put in place the worst public policy of our lifetimes because it will inconvenience this person. Good grief the excuses!

Sigh.

 

Guess some people just don't understand novel means new. Meaning we weren't sure what was going to happen or what we were facing. Or the fact that COVID quickly became the third leading cause of death in the US, with the top 2 being heart disease and cancer, which aren't communicable diseases like COVID.

Hindsight being 20/20, yes, it's easy to say we should have done things differently. Like have a POTUS that took the virus seriously from day 1, followed the Pandemic Playbook, and didn't suggest shoving UV light into sensitive areas. And yes, treat school closures differently. But we were dealing with a new, deadly virus, and we didn't know what would happen. And given what we knew at the time, it is difficult to argue we did more wrong than right. If you want to revise history and say we should have known more, go for it. But I'm not a fan of revisionist history. It's simply not fair to judge decisions made with today's knowledge when said knowledge didn't exist when the decision was made.

 

Keep making excuses. We knew early early on who this disease was dangerous to. We botched this thing in epic fashion. We cannot let these tunnel visioned mistakes ever happen again. Mistakes that did not have to happen.

It was bad/awful in this country. Exponentially worse for those who live in poor countries. So much unnecessary damage. Even for a “novel” virus that you continue to peddle boosters for with a shot designed for the ancestral strain.

 

I hate this thread.

 

I agree we botched this thing. And it started from the top. Trump ignored the Pandemic Playbook completely from the start. Too bad too. Had we followed it, we still would have made mistakes, but would have been in a much better place.

 

Charlatan's gonna charlatan. i have ignored this poster's charlatan act for months now, but this person is so full of crap it's unbelievable. Won't admit they were wrong. And posting shit studies that have been debunked long ago. Too funny. And this poster wonders why i always laugh at his postings.

Lessons From Europe, Where Cases Are Rising But Schools Are Open

Sweden's health agency says open schools did not spur pandemic spread among children

In Denmark, the Rarest of Sights: Classrooms Full of Students (Published 2020)