Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

There isn’t any benefit of taking the vaccine for kids that young. Go read the research. It’s useless especially because the vast majority of kids already had Covid which is much better than the vax. Until people tell the truth about that it’s all BS. Zero reason to vaccinate a healthy kid. Zero.

 

Yes extremely high. You do realize there has been more than one study of myocarditis, right? I love how people downplay myocarditis like it’s no big deals. Too funny except it’s not when your kid gets it for taking a vaccine that does zero for kids. Risk is higher for kids that not taking it. End of discussion.

 

And now we have the FDA going to release the omicron vaccine without any studies other than mice? Sounds about right. Cant wait for the lefties to run to get the shot. I'll wait until i see some efficacy data on the shot.

 

It is another red flag in this whole debacle. Billions of dollars to these companies. They are able in 9 months with human trials to get the delivery set up for mRNA. Now they can’t get a omicron specific with any human trials? Seriously?!

Gotta jab those kids!

 

I think it's pretty cool how the mrna technology is progressing. Moderna had a BA.1 and was quickly able to make a BA.4/5. What's even more exciting are the early results from some of the mrna cancer vaccines

 

100% FALSE. The vaccines continue to provide excellent protection against severe disease and death.

From the link below:
4. SARS-CoV-2 infection or vaccination elicits T cell responses that are, by and large, conserved against future variants
We then assessed T cell responses using 14 distinct S peptide pools derived from the most prominent SARS-CoV-2 variants, including Omicron, and compared each of those responses against the T cell responses after stimulation with ancestral strain S pool. Our results (validated with different functional readouts) demonstrated, at the population level, that roughly 80% or more of both CD4+ and CD8+ T cell responses cross-recognized the different S protein variants—irrespective of the vaccine platform.

Vaccine: A preparation that is used to stimulate the body’s immune response against diseases. Vaccines are usually administered through needle injections, but some can be administered by mouth or sprayed into the nose.

Note the key word - DISEASE - not INFECTION. I actually wish that they would have included the word "severe" in front of disease, but they did not and I am not going to edit the definition just to make a point. The premise of a vaccine is to prevent illness, actually severe illness. There are almost no vaccines that were degigned to prevent infection.

I have no idea why you brought the flu vaccine up. It is a totally different technology that targets a completely different immune response. Mostly, the flu vaccine provide a neutralizing anti-body defense against whatever strain has been targeted. Further, unlike the mRNA Covid vaccines, they do not promote cross reactive T-cell responses. They do promote weak homologous T-cell reactions that are targeted at the strain of interest, but not other strains. Thus, the need for an anual shot. Go ahead and get your local GP to explain that all to you next time you pop in for the flu shot, I would be stunned if they knew that answer.

On the other had, per the link below and paragraph copied above, the mRNA vaccines promote a highly cross reactive T-cell reponse which makes it higly conserved (fancy biological term for - it still works) against future variants. The long term T-cell protection is no better in the bi-valent mRNA vaccine than the original vaccine!!

Per discussion above, this is 100% inaccurate. What you are mixing up is that the original COVID mRNA vaccines do not provide effective neutralizing antibody protection against the most recent variants. However, they continue to provide outstanding long term protection against severe disease and death via the cross reactive T-Cells, and that protection will not be materially improved by the bi-valent vaccines.

And finally, copy errors and the ability of the virus to respond to selection pressure are hugely impacted if the entire population is vaccinated, the rate of variation and the speed of those variations from the virus declines. THAT, is why they are still trying to get everyone vaccinated.

Note: As our ardent anti-vaxxers point out, people who have been infected previously demonstrate a sligtly more broad based, cross reactive T-cell response than those vaccinated. However, they also demonstarte high rates of heart attacks, strokes, kidney degradation, other cardio vascular issues, respiratory issues, neurological issues from being infected, so, pretty stupid option to sacrafice your long term health in an effort to prove you can gain long term protection.

Honestly, you and most on this board are as intelligent and equally capable of reading and comprehending as I am. The sad part is, most Americans choose to be this scientifically ignorant and rely on some under-educated, over paid GP in a white coat to dispense medical advice that they never question. Which is why so many people were popping anti-fungal, anti-biotic pills for viral infections that led to nothing but higher rates of infection, death and anti-biotic resistance spiking since 2020.

From Alpha to omicron: The response of T cells - ScienceDirect

Influenza and Memory T Cells: How to Awake the Force

 

New Covid boosters, which target BA.5, haven't yet been tested in people. How well will they work?

that's not science. can dr.'s feel comfortable telling their patients to get medicine that has only been used on mice? they have no idea if they will provide more protection? we are told to trust the science even when they don't practice science.

 

No way natural immunity played any part here. Only jabs. Jab jab jab.

LOL!

It’s almost as good as the person who claims the shot is why they had a less severe case. That person may as well be the person that says ivermectin is why they recovered.

 

It is mind boggling. On top of that. They will not let you take the animal tested shot unless you take two of the shots made for the ancestral variant only.

You can’t make this up.

 

It is almost certain that they provide no better protection beyond the first few months anyway. It is all essentially marketing at this point for most and maybe use for targeted age groups.

If more and more data is mounting that says protection is from longer term cellular immunity and the short term humoral immunity is just that, short term, there seems no real reason to even have these shots.

 

Good for them!

 

New ivermectin study shows 92% lower chance of COVID death (wnd.com)

A large study on the impact of using ivermectin as a prophylaxis for COVID-19 found that regular users of the drug experienced up to a 92% reduction in mortality compared to those who did not.

Brazilian research scientist Dr. Flavio A. Cadegiani said via Twitter that his study in his home country showed a "dose-response effect," meaning that "the more you used, the more protection you had."

He observed that people who use ivermectin regularly every 15 days for at least six to eight weeks had up to a 92% reduction in mortality.

Cadegiani conducted a previous study of drug that evaluated whether its use could impact COVID-19 infection and mortality rates.

The FDA, he wrote, was "messaging BS" by citing "one corrupt study" while ignoring 82 trials, including 33 randomized controlled trials with 129,000 patients from 27 countries that show "massive benefits" of ivermectin in treating COVID-19.

"Stop lying man, people are dying," he wrote, adding the hashtag "earlytreatmentworks."

 

Lol, glad it makes you happy

 

The latest phase 3, double blinded RCT which is the gold standard of studies shows that ivermectin is crap when taken after a COVID diagnosis

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2201662

Conclusions None of the three medications that were evaluated prevented the occurrence of hypoxemia, an emergency department visit, hospitalization, or death associated with Covid-19.

 

Omicron booster shots are coming—with lots of questions

Actually not dissimilar from the annual flu shot. Because there aren't significant changes in the vaccines from previous versions and time is of the essence both vaccines have been approved without significant human trials.

How can authorities consider authorizing vaccines without data from human trials?
Influenza vaccines are updated each spring to try to match the strain most likely to circulate in the fall and winter. The reformulated shots don’t have to undergo new clinical trials unless the manufacturers significantly change the way they make the vaccine. A similar approach for new COVID-19 variants makes sense, says Leif Erik Sander, an infectious disease expert at the Charité University Hospital in Berlin. The changes to the mRNA are minor and providing updated vaccines as quickly as possible is “an ethical issue,” Sander says. “We need to allow people to protect themselves from a virus that we can’t fully control.”​

Science | AAAS

 

In almost country in which Ivermectin appears to effective at treating Covid-19, parasites are endemic. Rather simple explanation, if the parasitic infestation is eliminated patients are better able to respond to Covid infections. Invermetic is more or less useless in countries without a parasite problem.

 

Well, I've never took it or needed it, but I trust the experts over your opinion

 

Are there any studies conducted in the US or Europe showing Ivermectin to be effective at treating Covid-19? The most recent study I could find (May 2022) and it was actually conducted in Brazil reached the conclusion that "treatment with Ivermectin did not result in a lower incidence of medical admission to a hospital due to progression of Covid-19 or of prolonged emergency department observation among outpatients with an early diagnosis of Covid-19."

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa2115869

 

Only a SLIGHT difference. The Flu shot has almost zero side affects. Covid shot? Not so much. Plus people just ignore Natural Immunity. Crazy. Anyone ignoring NI should be laughed at and ignored.

 

And lets take a look at the Drug Overdoses from the start of the lockdowns thru 2021. Those are huge increases.