For the Republicans on this board who like to claim they are actually Libertarians

Quite a few libertarians support the protection of the most innocent. They understand killing for convenience is wrong. Libertarians as a whole are also against the government being in the marriage business altogether. They certainly are for the use of recreational drugs. End of the day libertarians are certainly a larger minority party that does fit more closely with pubs. But as you note…both major parties do this. Which was my point.

 

Waiting for the Republicans to pick up their 10 to 15 seats in the House and lose at least two in the Senate and possibly four or five.

 

LOL! A libertarian is going to more often than not align with the pubs. That is no surprise. We have a two party system. So it should not surprise you they would vote for trump over hrc or biden.

 

FYI: The opinion of the father of the modern conservative movement who also happened to have been a libertarian on abortion. I would also add that even libertarians who oppose abortion still believe that it should the woman's decision not the government's.
Goldwater Opposes GOP on Abortion

 

I wish I knew what the right stands for these days. I used to, and respected their contributions to the dialogue. Today, they seem mostly wwithout principle trying to please a demagogue.

 

You can find dems that oppose abortion just like you can find pubs that support it.

 

Supporting choice and supporting the procedure are not the same. With the possible exception of early first term procedures Goldwater actually opposed abortion, he just didn't think that the state should insert itself into what should be a personal decision.

 

You can find dems that oppose legally killing the most innocent for convenience. You can find pus that oppose legally killing the most innocent for convenience. You can find dems that support legally allowing the most innocent to be killed via abortion for convenience. You can find pubs that support legally allowing the most innocent to be killed via abortion for convenience.

 

that is not necessarily true.

• Negative externality: Infected persons can transmit the virus that causes the disease, severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS‐CoV‑2), through common social contact. Transmission involuntarily inflicts costs on others, making it a negative externality. As libertarians often say, “People’s right to swing their fists ends at the tip of another’s nose”; likewise, people’s liberty ends at the point that they put others at involuntary risk.

https://www.cato.org/policy-analysis/government-pandemic#limited-government-covid-19

 

Reality is...you named a fair amount. They also are going to be in more agreement on taxes with pubs than dems. Most libertarians do not want government in the marriage business at all. So they technically do not agree with either party. The weird thing with that issue is that there are pubs that do agree with that position but are not going to push it and the dems position is technically more libertarian but really is not because they are still just catering to certain groups and leaving out those that want multiple wives/husbands etc.

It really comes down to some social issues where there is some agreement with the dems on a technical side. But reality is they want government out of that business altogether if they had their way. And because of that...they are going to align with the pubs far more often than the dems.

 

This is the source of the divide distilled into 1 sentence.
Good post.

 

size of defense
war on drugs
protectionism (inflationary)
tariffs(inflationary)
deglobalization (inflationary)
limiting legal immigration (inflationary)

libertarians are not gonna align with Ds or Rs, but probably closer to Ds on these issues. It is kinda astounding that Ds have been less protectists than Rs.

 

That is from November 17 2020. Kind of a fascinating read. Like the podcast I watched of the two progressive doctors (both vaccinated and boosted/well one is definitely boosted against his will as weighing his livelihood and job meant more than not taking something he felt unnecessary where the other I believer boosted once on his own) from a year ago.

This was a very general comment on the issue that still kind of holds true today in fact more so than ever now that our public officials finally admit that it does not matter if you have had the shot when it comes to transmission (something that really was obvious all they way back to Delta/omicron blew it out of the water). But there is no evidence masks work. And this does not suggest they do either. With that said. I found two paragraphs down an interesting reminder from the past...

"The public good of acquired immunity: Relatedly, an effective vaccine against the virus has public goods characteristics. A population can become resistant to an infectious disease if only a portion of its members develop resistance to it, a phenomenon known as “herd immunity.” Some diseases require high member immunity rates to produce this resistance—80 percent or more—but others have lower thresholds.17 Currently there is no scientific consensus on a threshold for COVID-19, though early guesses by epidemiologists fall in the 60–70 percent range, and one study argues that it could be as low as 43 percent.18 Those numbers suggest that a third to more than half of the population could free‐ride on others’ bearing the cost of the vaccine, allowing for a public goods problem."

Talk about missing it big time when it came to herd immunity. Again. I am just pointing this out as I was listening and hopeful the 60-70% would be the answer. It certainly was not 43% as the one study suggested lol!

I do agree with the point I think you were making that libertarians are not all anarchists and are willing to allow government to make reasonable impressions on society. They get an unfair rap because it really is impossible to be a "true" libertarian unless you are an anarchists in todays world with social media and too hot...

 

oh god. make it stop. I could care less about covid & your obsessive whining. this simply lays out the ideology of public goods & externalities.

 

???!!!???!!!

You posted a link by Cato and their discussion on Covid. After you bolded antimasks and antivax in the comment you responded to.

When you click your link it takes you to the page and then without your doing scrolls for you to the section on Covid.

 

yes. the notion of public goods & externalities can be applied to infectious diseases. I could care less about the specifics of the example...you see covid & it's like Homer seeing a donut. The take away is that ideologically, libertarians are in favor of addressing direct & significant externalities, positive & negative.

 

I am a libertarian on most topics but not all. Not sure there are many people who agree with everything for each party. There are compromises sometimes that have to be made but I drew a line in the sand on trump. Very happy i didn't ever vote for him.