No Sign of a Red Wave; Plenty of Signs of a Dobbs Wave

You have issues man. I'm done talking to you. I cant put you on ignore, but your comments here are arguably the first that have ever made me want to.

You continue to ignore that more than just religious folks take issue. You have yet to acknowledge that fact. Just more religious ignorant bigotry on your part.

Equating millions of Americans seeking yo PROTECT life to a group that kills with little to know discretion is insane.

That is the last comment you will get from me. I cant ignore you as a mod, but I wish to God I could.

You should really examine what it is that makes you say things like that.

Blessings.

 

This is just a game to you. This is real life for me and my family. While I’ve over the years moderated my sometimes hostility to faith (that I grew up in) on issues such as this it’s personal, and it just isn’t about me.

How you can think that I have tolerance to anyone that would cause harm to me and my family because of his *faith* is beyond me. But that’s what you’d expect from the Taliban.

 

Religious Landscape Study

This shows that those that aren’t religious 75% support abortion right in all or most cases. Looking at the graphs it primarily evangelicals mormans and jehovahs witnesses. Catholics are 50/50 even though their doctrine says it is evil.

Where I was wrong was saying Muslims were anti abortion. Seems like they slightly lean to abortion rights. So I guess on this issues Muslims are more progressive than evangelicals. So perhaps I owe the taliban an apology for comparing the the birth forcing Christian evangelicals.

 

And you are not acknowledging or condemning that many of these laws are making all abortions illegal, first trimester included

 

Not all Muslims are taliban so that brush is broad

 

Hers an interesting data point. It seems heartbeat changes the numbers:

While up to 75% of people oppose prison and fines for woman getting abortion. (I am one) that number changes with a heartbeat.

"The public is more closely divided on laws that would prohibit abortions once cardiac activity (sometimes called a fetal heartbeat) is detected around six weeks, with a narrow majority (54%) opposing such laws and large minority (44%) favoring them."

Majority of Voters Say Overturning Roe Won’t Impact the Likelihood of Them Voting in Midterm Elections, But 1 in 5 of Voters and 1 in 4 Younger Women Voters Say it Will Motivate Them More And They Will Only Vote For A Pro-Choice Candidate

 

I've shared a personal story here. I won't do it again. You calling it a game to me is as asinine and insulting as your taliban reference.

THAT is my last response to you.

 

Yes I have. Many times, in many threads.

And for the record I want them illegal as a method of convenience from day one. Rape, health danger, no chance of viability etc are all exceptions I am understanding of. "Oops" is not.

 

then your rigid position is based on your religious beliefs which you are trying to impose on others, just like the Taliban.

 

Tilly has been very outspoken about laws that make abortion illegal for those that are raped or in bodily danger ( among a few other things). His stance on abortion has been clear from day one.

And abortion isn’t just personal for one side. It is personal for many who make arguments in both sides. To claim”this is personal for me and a game to you” as justification to be insulting and a donkey is just doubling down.
Everyone on this board needs to try to make arguments with out the childish antics and name calling. Comparison to the taliban, or in one case Muslims… racist much… are ridiculous. If you have to go to those lengths.. congrats you are no better than the posters from the other side that do the same.

 

Good luck. Those laws aren’t stopping anyone with money or means to exercise their constitutional right over their body. It only stops the poor and marginalized. More loving policy from the right. This is a dark time in America.

 

Every voter tries to impose their beliefs on others. School board votes, referendum on widening a highway, HOA bylaws, Health Care, taxes...We all do it all the time.

I mean are you ok with atheists pushing a pro life belief on others, because they are a real thing? Im not even sure its a religious thing to me. I really believe that science tells us that a unique human life begins at conception.

It is 100% American to vote your religious conscience. Are you really saying otherwise?

But for the record saying someone does a thing like the Taliban is not the same as calling them the actual Taliban. A certain poster here has gone much to far by taking it to that ridiculous extreme.

 

Good luck? What does that mean. I just said and have always said I dont support making women criminals. (I think it should cease to exist as a non emergency medical practice and that should be the approach). I'm just pointing out that heartbeat really moves the needle.

 

You said you want them illegal for convenience. I said good luck. I have the means. You can’t control me. If my kid or wife needs an abortion there isn’t a thing in this world you can do about it. None.

However, you and your right wing buddies can force someone without means to suffer from your control. That’s what I mean.

 

So now Christians = taliban? Seriously wtf.

 

If doctors arent allowed to give them (at risk of losing their right to practice for instance), then where will you get them?

And fwiw, i think emergency cases should be 100% covered by the ACA or similar to protect those in danger. So no one without means needs to suffer.

And yes that means loose ends and laws need to be tightened up, bit such is the damage we have created with this free for all of abortions in our country since Roe.

 

Its called tolerance man. Keep up.

Apposing abortion equals extreme violent terrorism and Christians shouldn't vote their beliefs.

Weve learned a lot about the tolerant left in this thread.

 

I have the means to go where doctors will always be able to perform them - any non backward state.

I don’t care about exceptions to emergencies. I’m fine with convenience. No problem at all. You don’t want a baby then don’t grow one in your body.

 

I need some clarification just so I’ll know. If a heartbeat changes things, and aborting a fetus with a heartbeat is considered murder, then what about a person who’s considered brain dead but still has a heartbeat? Is pulling the plug on them considered murder?

 

Christian conservatives appear to have the same desire to force their brand of religion on everyone like the Taliban does.