No Sign of a Red Wave; Plenty of Signs of a Dobbs Wave

Well 38% of republicans think abortion should be legal in most/all cases.

More than half of the remaining think it should be legal in "SOME" cases.
(Source: Pew Research)

 

If that's accurate than those people basically have either empowered people they disagree with for decades or are like I said, irrelevant to the debate because of their indifference to the issue.

 

Yeah tell that to the people in Afghanistan.

Tell that to those who lost loved ones on 9/11.

You guys look rediculous making that claim.

Again... What do you say to pro life atheists or the 20+ percent of liberals who support banning abortion?

Are they Taliban as well?
Was it the Taliban that banned abortion for two centuries in this country?

You guys dont even want to have a serious discussion when THAT's your argument.

More lazy name calling bully maneuvers by the left designed to stifle conversation and debate.

Bigot!
Intolerant!
Now... Taliban!

When you can't articulate, you take the lazy name calling route.

 

I mistyped. Its 38% btw... Not 48. Edited above.

 

The Taliban has moderates too, they aren't all raving fanatics.

 

Dont give them any runway here. Its a stupid analogy

Pro life folks are at least believing they are saving human life... The Taliban lives to take human life.

The comparison is asinine.

 

Whether the comparison is fair or not, I do think the Taliban believe what they are doing is right and ultimately saving lives too, and there certainly are different factions within that aren't as down with the more medieval stuff the fundamentalists and radicals elements believe.

 

Its unfair. Full stop.
Nothing matters after that.

The Taliban only cares about lives of those that share their extremes.

Pretty sure Pro-Lifers arent chosing which babies they want to see saved

 

Well, I dont think arguing that they are uniform in the application of their oppressive religious doctrines is doing your argument any favors. ANd didnt you say "most" believe in exceptions? If thats the case, then they are doing exactly that, choosing which ones to save.

 

I said choosing the ones they "want" to see saved. We want them all saved, but understand the exceptions necessary.

 

More sign of the Dobbs wave. In Arizona, although D Mark Kelly is the incumbent, there were many who thought his Senate seat could be flipped. As of today, doesn't look that way, because the R candidate who won the primary is a Trumper, Blake Masters, that doesn't poll well in the general election against Kelly. Most polls have Kelly +9 or greater.

As of today, Masters took down his anti-abortion stance on his policy page.

 

Listening to this podcast episode with some professors who specialize in following the intersection of religion and law, especially a lot of the recent Free Exercise/Establishment decisions.

They raised an interesting point. The Justices have recently carved out extra protection for "religious liberty" in a way that went beyond anything previously. They have essentially said that if there is any exemption given on secular grounds to any governmental mandate, the government is compelled to recognize any claimed religious exemption as well.

They talked about the application of this rule of law to abortion grounds, especially Jews who have asserted in Florida litigation that their religion permits and sometimes requires abortions. If there's any exemption given for health, rape or incest, the courts existing rules of law would require recognition of any religious exemption as well.

They indicated that some of the right wing commentators so far are really wrestling with this issue because they realize they've created themselves a bit of a trap. With very expansive protection for so-called "religious liberty", it may be argued that an exemption is required for anyone who claims that their religion requires an exemption from other abortion regulations. Their attempts to privilege the "right type" of religion under seemingly neutral principles May create a bit of a stress.

Of course, the current right-wing justices are not principled, and won't necessarily care about contradicting themselves. They are tribal and partisan. But they may need to struggle a bit or just become indifferently absurd to reach their desired result



Law & Religion on the Barrett Court - Strict Scrutiny

 

I’m not trying to be argumentative, nor stifle conversation nor debate, but I was very specific when I said Christian conservatives, and the whataboutisms carry zero weight in the discussion. Everyone, especially the left is pro-life, and it’s only those on the far right that shout “Let ‘em die” when the subject of affordable health care comes up.

No one is saying they’re the Taliban. Just that the similarities can’t be ignored, and neither are rooted in the Bible nor the Koran’s teachings. How are they the same? Both are strict conservatives seeking to bring their religious morality into government. The Taliban believe government must follow the words of Allah as written in the Koran. The conservative Republicans believe our government must return to Judeo-Christian values.

 

Makes some leaps but an observation on spending patterns of the political parties. Will be interesting to see if it plays out when filings occur.

GOP Senate Candidates Are Getting Crushed Online (msn.com)

As the old saying goes, it takes money to make money. And there’s an obvious corollary: It also takes money to spend money.

Those truths have recently hit home for Republican candidates in vital Senate races this year, some of whom have struggled to amass the kind of scratch needed to carry a self-sustaining modern campaign through the finish line.

The fundraising woes have yielded spending woes. And that’s created headaches for the GOP, as national groups have had to adapt their previous strategies on the fly to cover unexpected gaps between underperforming conservatives and their Democratic rivals.

Nowhere is that spending gap more clear than in the digital arena.

 

I would agree on the second and third paragraphs, but definitely not the first. As I said, I never heard any Dem talk about Romney's Mormonism, but did hear plenty of Pubs say they would never vote for the cultist. Different memory on McCain also. Dont recall any Dems loving the guy before he stood up to trump.
Doesnt have much to do with this thread either way.

 

Here are examples of McCain

John McCain - The Daily Show with Jon Stewart | Comedy Central US

Yukkin’ It Up With John McCain: A Look Back

https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/campaigns/wh2000/stories/mccain090299.htm

John Kerry asked McCain to be his running mate in 2004

McCain Is Said To Tell Kerry He Won't Join (Published 2004)

As to Romney, I don’t recall any prominent criticism of his mormanism from the left, but here are some criticisms

Binders full of women - Wikipedia

Mitt Romney dog incident - Wikipedia

Has Romney been hunting since 2008 "small varmints" gaffe? - CBS News

But most of that is standard campaign coverage fare, and such minor criticisms are nowhere in the same league of the idiocy Trump engaged in.

 

Catholic doctrine considers abortion evil. However in spite of that many Catholics are pro choice.

 

If a third of republicans and most democrats support some degree of abortion access, then why do the anti choice minority think their religious views should be the standard for all to live by? That is the way the Taliban think.

 

They think they are doing god’s will. Maybe even saving souls from eternal damnation.

 

Yes. Someone literally is.