No Sign of a Red Wave; Plenty of Signs of a Dobbs Wave

The Taliban have deep convictions also.

The guy who stabbed Salmon Rushdie likely had deep convictions.

 

I see someone is playing the "they" push their beliefs on others while not being smart enough to understand thats what voting is at its very core.

It's bizarre, they act as if they are smarter and better than everyone else but they are completely lacking in common sense and self awareness. Trashing others gleefully while literally doing the same thing and pushing their own beliefs on others.

I can only imagine which one you're talking to and by the way its going, you clearly aren't getting through to them so once again, great decision by me to ignore them. If only you could but you cant since you're a Mod lol.

 

Dude. Stop. Its a terrible take. Just admit it.

No one is beheading anyone.
There are no massacres.
No intentional family displacement.
Do contribution to mass terrorism.
No torture.

But you got offended so that's the same.

 

Im gonna take a guess and say that this amount of hyperbole and idiocy could come from no other person than WGB. Amiright?

 

You can believe what you believe, and chose to live by your own standards and faith. And yes, it's only natural to push agendas that suit ones beliefs. The problem arises though when someone's faith is forced down others throats who do not share the same faith or ideologies. It's unfortunate that we can't all just respect one another and be free to do what we want and believe what we believe in the privacy of our own homes and own houses of worship. But having the majority of people forced to endure unpopular policies of the minority (talking abortion specifically here) is when people bring out the Taliban reference. Religious zealots imposing their will and doling out severe punishment for not obeying these overtly strict and callous laws doesn't at all feel American, imho.

 

No I’m not going to stop. So since you have only one barbaric religious value - government forcing women to have babies, you think it is ok. I don’t. Taliban. Handmaids tail. It all fits.

 

Humble opinion and calling people "religous zealots" really doesn't jive together but we will let that one slide.

Zealotry is not solely owned by religous people and in fact, you are pushing your opinion and your agenda on others while dismissing what they believe in because their beliefs are faith driven and yours are social/political. For the record, I don't believe in God so we can get that out of the way before you start barking up that tree and Im also for womens choice within reason (If you have consensual sex and there is nothing wrong with mom/baby and the baby has a heart beat, you should not get an abortion, morally speaking). I just feel like it's quite hypocritical to ask others to lie down and take what you believe to be right without any questions while also chastising them for daring to have their own beliefs.

You do realize that your votes are the same thing right? Your vote means you vote to push your agenda on what is hopefully the minority of voters to establish the policies you believe in, right or wrong? So what makes you right and the other wrong? What should they do if they lose the vote in their state? Is it the same thing you should do if the state you live in votes to ban abortion? Should we just create two countries? Or should the loser of the vote try to educate others and get people to believe in what they believe in and hopefully the next vote you get to push your agenda on the other side?

Maybe you should become a politician so you can help push your agenda and gain followers (votes).

 

I do believe abortion is not a tax payer situation. I also don't think organizations should push abortion. Abortion should be a last resort not birth control.

 

I have no idea what any of this means.

 

First of all, you need to re-read the first two sentences I wrote. Did i chastise anyone or dare them to have their own beliefs? No. I expressly said to each his/her own to believe what they want. Further, I also said I understood that it's only natural that people pushing their agenda's based on their beliefs. I mostly agreed, then disputed my point of contention. So instead of jumping the gun calling me hypocritical, try re-reading what I wrote. In fact, I actually agree with what you wrote in your post before this - that's what voting essentially is, pushing your agenda. And the left has done a poor job of it as of late - especially in this realm. As far as my use of the phrase 'religious zealot', what else would you call it when the religious right is forcing women, sometimes pre-teens, of rape and incest to carry their rapist babies to term? You're for women's choice - within reason, right? There is no reason here. That's why they're extremists/zealots. Lastly having an opinion, albeit political and not faith-based, is not zealotry (defined as extremism and fanaticism) but nice try with the false equivalency, if that indeed was the point you were trying to infer.

 

Meh, Ill give it to you but this is straight out of the liberal playbook of being condescending before they tell you to f-off with their word salads. If that's not you, then I apologize. However, you didn't do yourself any favors after providing the lip service and then basically calling Tilly a religious zealot. But I digress..

Im just saying the act of zealotry is not solely owned by religious people and that shows its ugly head here every single day.

Maybe I have you pegged wrong as I don't remember seeing much from you here (Im not trying to minimize your importance or opinions, I skim most of the drivel on here so I miss a lot unless someone posts a lot of stupid crap to catch my attention). So technically its a good thing. Either you don't post enough or don't post enough stupid stuff for me to care .

No need to continue as I believe you are sincere, just try not to follow the typical liberal path around here. It would be nice to get a few people around here to actually have a decent conversation with.

 

Interesting perspective. Just picking on a couple-

Dole was "mean" ? Now that's funny, never heard anyone say that B4. Didn't care for his politics but always seemed like a good guy.
As for Romney being a Mormon, the only ones I ever heard bringing that up were the Christian right, Dems didn't care. Was he a privileged elitist? Of course.
Think u have it backwards on Mccain. Don't think Dems liked McCain until he stuck it to trump, well after the election.

 

At some level his characterizations of republicans by democrats and to a degree the media are accurate. Dole had a sharp tongue and didn’t always suffer fools gladly. McCain was a media hit when he ran against Bush and ran as an anti establishment iconoclast, unlike in 2008 when he was just a straight up Republican. Romney was a guy with “binders of women” who travelled across the country with his dog in a crate on top of the car. The other narratives were correct too.

However while the mainstream media favored Democrats they had their issues too. Mondale was just boring, Dukakis a doof, Clinton a womanizer (which he was), Gore a rigid oaf. Kerry a fake. Obama was generally given a pass.

That’s all just part of media coverage of politicians. To equate any of that with the absolute shit show circus that Trump rolled into town is disingenuous. Trump accused Obama as being a foreigner, was taped saying he grabbed women in the hooha, and expressed an unusual fondness for Putin, and otherwise lied a dozen times a day.

 

Is adoption all of a sudden not an option? Lots of couples looking to adopt.

 

Your last paragraph is the key here. The babies needs takes precedence over your desire to sow your wild oats without regard to consequences.

 

Ignorant lazy and accurate. It’s America so there is no 100 percent here but women support other womens choices much stronger than most men do.

 

Somebody came up with the idea that when you called somebody a nazi in a discussion the discussion was over. It was lazy and hyperbolic and cut off all debate. I think calling someone taliban or shariah is similar. It should be avoided. However we did just have a fascist cabal try to have their own bier hall putsch. Sometimes over the top terminology is indicated.

 

Hmmm. Perhaps that is because the coup failed. So there has never been a bombing of an abortion clinic?

 

And the baby’s needs can be taken care of by the one person that has sole decision making in whether that baby is born or not - the mother. Y’all want to take all decision making away from the father but leave him with the financial consequences of decisions made by the mother.